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Old 12-04-2005, 11:27 AM
BriPlay BriPlay is offline
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Default Re: ATs on the button: postflop play

IMO this line is too passive.

For sure raise the flop. This is the kind of hand where I'd want to try and protect it. He could be semibluffing with a flush draw (pretty common in small stakes), or smaller pair and str8 draw( 87s?).
I'd lead the turn, and go from there.

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Old 12-04-2005, 11:37 AM
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Default Re: ATs on the button: postflop play

What kinds of hands limp? And, how many of those will call a decent raise? I'm not so much advocating a PF raise as I am interested in investigating it. I'm pretty curious about limpers and limping in general and think there may be something to exploit here.

A lot of the discussion around limping indicates that low and middle pocket pairs are common limping hands and that those who limp with them will often fold to a raise (even though they may be ahead of something like ATs). And, lots (not all) of hands stronger than ATs will already have raised. So, ATs maybe be ahead, and want to thin the field.
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Old 12-04-2005, 11:47 AM
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Default Re: ATs on the button: postflop play

No way I'm raising this preflop. I like your line, I think I bet about 300 on the turn though.
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Old 12-04-2005, 01:15 PM
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Default Re: ATs on the button: postflop play

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No way I'm raising this preflop. I like your line, I think I bet about 300 on the turn though.

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I don't pretend to have an answer, or even a strong opinion. But, I am interested in reasons so that the matter can be better considered. What is it that makes you not want to raise?
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Old 12-04-2005, 01:32 PM
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Default Re: ATs on the button: postflop play

Because an ace high flop can be really expensive. Raising when you only like a T high flop, or two pair or better seems very dangerous. I guess if you have godly postflops skills, that allows you to not lose money to AJ/AQ on an ace high flop it could be good.
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Old 12-04-2005, 01:37 PM
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Default Re: ATs on the button: postflop play

Well, we'll have position post-flop, so that should help the post-flop play. Won't AQ often be raising pre-flop? AJ would seem to be a concern.
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