Stealing and getting tricky with KK.

the_rookie · #1 05-03-2005, 01:46 AM

I've attacked villian's blinds a few times and he took a stand on an eariler hand, which I grumply laid down. He's a decent player and can lay down hands ( I believe) when he's beat. What's the best line here?

Thanks in advance fellow microers.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ???

NickRegino · #2 05-03-2005, 01:48 AM

cap PF, cap the turn, if you are scared of the A then check/call, if you thing he doesn't have it, bet into it.

NickRegino · #3 05-03-2005, 01:48 AM

bleh, i meant cap PF and the flop, not the turn, lol, wow, im dumb, but yea same thing, about the ace that i had said

aK13 · #4 05-03-2005, 01:52 AM

I think tricky play ended up biting you in the ass on this one. I'd just cap preflop, 3 bet the flop. With the A hitting on the turn given the way you played it, I take a WA/WB line and check/call turn and bet the river, call a raise. The reasoning here is that he probably picked up on your blind stealing and is trying to push you off the best hand with nothing.

the_rookie · #5 05-03-2005, 02:02 AM

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The reasoning here is that he probably picked up on your blind stealing and is trying to push you off the best hand with nothing.

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Yes I figured that out, which is why I didn't want to push back at him too hard, cause if he's bluffing I lose bets... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

check/calling sounds good though and a value bet on the river too.

Isura · #6 05-03-2005, 02:38 AM

You should check-raise the flop if you don't cap preflop. With this board, villian will find a reason to call 1 more and possibly a turn bet if he improves (he likely has 6 outs now). I'd bet the turn given your read. Getting this checked through is terrible for hero.

the_rookie · #7 05-03-2005, 02:51 AM

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You should check-raise the flop if you don't cap preflop.

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This is an interesting line. If he puts me on a steal, then a check/raise is reasonably way for me to try to take the pot from him. And if he puts me on a resteal that he would not be going anywhere if he hit the flop or if say he has a pocket pair of some sort. Ouch my brain hurts a little now.

Guess the only thing I was concerned about was if he was re-raising me with junk. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Isura · #8 05-03-2005, 02:57 AM

With KK on this flop, you're not as worried about "taking" the pot from villian. You usually have the best hand here, and check-raising gets more money in the pot when you're the favorite, and also gets villian more tied to the pot. I wouldn't worry about a 3-bet on the flop, it's okay to cap this flop HU. And you should plan to see the river in this hand.

lionhorse · #9 05-03-2005, 02:46 AM

Given that BB was so defensive with his blinds, I probably would have capped preflop, reraised that flop, and with the ace on the turn, called it down. With a 5BB pot it's potentially going to cost you another 2 to get to the showdown, I'd say probably check-call the turn then bet the river if he checks behind on the turn.

mvoss · #10 05-03-2005, 05:49 AM

(In the dark)

Cap preflop and 3-bet the flop. I'd bet the turn here and slow down if villain raises again.