Played craps with TJ Cloutier

[Josh W]

On the come out roll, the player (for that roll alone!) is an 8:4 favorite (8 ways to win, 4 to lose).

Now, the player is a big favorite (when betting the pass line) on the come out roll. This means that they MUST be a big dog on the following rolls (after the point is established).

So, if a player wants to bet on the pass line AFTER the come out roll, the house will GLADLY take their action. It's a fairly stupid (i.e. drunk) maneuver, but definitely allowed.

Next time you play blackjack and get dealt a blackjack, and the dealer shows a 6, ask the dealer/pitboss if you can take even money. I bet they let you.

Josh

In a decent place, they will treat it as a place bet.
They will represent this by sliding the bet back until it is on the back boundry of the pass line.

The pass line is a contract bet, so once you put $ down - it has to stay. You can add to it. This is usually done when you want more odds. The reverse is true of the don't pass line, you can pull money off at any time - however, you cannot put the money back once the original has been pulled off.

The reasoning is this; On the come-out roll, money on the pass line is a favorite over money on the don't pass line. Once a point is established, money on the pass line is the underdog vs. money on the don't pass line. The 7 will come out more frequently than any other number. So they want money on the pass line at all times.

As far as walking up to a table in the middle of the roll, you can place the point using the pass line. The money is offset, using the line nearest you. However, you could just put money on the pass line - but that makes no sense. Suppose you walk up to a $10 table, and the point is 9. You put $20 on the pass line. If the 9 is hit, you win even money. However, if you place it using the pass line - you will receive $28 or $29 (depending on the casino).

As a side-note, when I was in Tunica for the WPO - I saw for the first time, a crapless crap game. 2, 3, 11 and 12 COULD be your point. It was quite disgusting if you ask me, I saw noone hit a 2, 3, 11, or 12 once they established it!

[mostsmooth]

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In a decent place, they will treat it as a place bet.
They will represent this by sliding the bet back until it is on the back boundry of the pass line.

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this sounds correct
once upon a time i was a craps dealer, but sadly i cant recall the rules on this. i recall that if somebody wanted to do this we would tell them it would be wise to make a place bet but i dont know if there was a "rule".in the end, i believe you cant walk up and make a pass line bet when theres already a point. if im correct, i think the reason for this is that depending on the allowable table odds, the house can get beat out of money when a player would take odds (examplelacing $100 5 pays $140, $10 pass line and $90 odds pays $145).
somebody tell me if this makes any sense

btw, rolling a 7 is never called "crapping out" as far as i know?

Not to hijack this thread, but here was a fun craps session back in 2003.

I was in Atlantic City on business and rolled the bones at the Taj. I was sitting two off the stick, playing the pass line w/ odds, place bets, etc. In the middle of my roll, some guy takes the open spot between me and the stick and pulls out a rubber-banded wad of 100's. He pulls out several more and requests $1000 chip denominations.

He puts $2000 in the don't come. I roll a 9. He lays it with $12000 and puts another $2000 in the don't come. I roll a 10. He lays that with $12000. 7-out. He pulls in an $18000 profit. Every shooter he puts $2000 don't pass, $12000 lay odds and then ONE $2000 don't come w/ $12000 odds.

3 shooters do nothing but 7-out, never hitting a 7 or 11 on the come out and never hit repeaters to kill his $14000 don't come/lay odds. The suits are now watching the game. A refill is made. Another refill is made.

At about this time some annoying guy starts cheering for "Johnny." He's right behind me and is cheering for the 7-outs. 2 more shooters, 7-out, etc. A third refill is made and Johnny is up a little over $100000. The guy asks Johnny when he is going to leave and Johnny replies, "I have not lost a bet yet!"

"Johnny World! Johnny World! 7-out! 7. 7. 7!" Finally the 6th or 7th shooter hits a point and then the 9, which was Johnny's $2000/$12000 and he leaves. Now he doesn't just color up, he stuffs all these $1000 chips in his pockets and gives that guy a few of them.

As he is walking away he asks the pit boss, "Do you have me rated?"

[lapoker17]

gonores and rowdy - great stories.