10 20 Party Value Bet River?

[pofi]

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folding here pf is weak, I call the flop too, and hate the overcall.

i play this the exact same, and after thinking for a while, i think he has air, or 1010-KK. his turn bet, coupled with the river check is fishy, and doesnt really seem like AK/AQ.

if he had a good ace, why is he checking and hoping to induce a check with a $1600+pot with only 800 left? thats a no brainer push there with AK/AQ.

so bet whatever you think he'll call with a good PP.

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What are you talking about?Why fold pf here is weak?Can you argument it?It's clear fold pf

[pofi]

As for other streets- raise flop to something like 400 and raise turn, check on the river. But I still think that that's clear fold pf

[fisherman112]

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As for other streets- raise flop to something like 400 and raise turn, check on the river. But I still think that that's clear fold pf

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why is any of this right? you're saying it repeatedly in this thread but havent given any reasons. hero has position with a suited ace preflop, it's a loose call but totally justifiable depending on the opponent and your ability to outplay him later.
on the flop, he's trying to catch a spade, 2 or a on the turn, why does he want to raise so the pfr can blow him off the chance of winning a huge pot if he backdoors a flush or makes trip 2s?

i dont really hate either calling of raising on the turn here. you probably have a hammerlock on the hand, he's going to fold most of his hands to any turn raise.

i think it's an easy river check, unless he's a complete donk capable of calling you with 9s or something.

[pofi]

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As for other streets- raise flop to something like 400 and raise turn, check on the river. But I still think that that's clear fold pf

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why is any of this right? you're saying it repeatedly in this thread but havent given any reasons. hero has position with a suited ace preflop, it's a loose call but totally justifiable depending on the opponent and your ability to outplay him later.
on the flop, he's trying to catch a spade, 2 or a on the turn, why does he want to raise so the pfr can blow him off the chance of winning a huge pot if he backdoors a flush or makes trip 2s?

i dont really hate either calling of raising on the turn here. you probably have a hammerlock on the hand, he's going to fold most of his hands to any turn raise.

i think it's an easy river check, unless he's a complete donk capable of calling you with 9s or something.

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What flop do you expect to hit with your single ace? Suited dont add much value for his hand. As Harrington wrote at HoH2 Ace with small kicker is something like just Ace without kicker at all.If hero hope that he can outplay his opponent- its very good, but still A2s isn't good hand to call 3bb raise before the flop with such small stakes.And of course any of blinds can put reraise and hero will need to muck his hand. Because the game is 4handed it will be some percentage of time- greater than at full ring, because raises here are more looser.
Ok.At flop call isnt bad and I change my opinion here- hero has position and can call here to see how this hand will develop.
At turn is mandatory raise:
1)If raiser has big Ace he almost alway will call you here.
2)Your hand isnt so strong to slowplay.Any 2,6, or card greater than 10 can ruin your hand.
3)Even if villain has 1010-KK he can call your raise some percentage of time if he couldnt believe that you have real hand.
Clear check at river- 3 destroyed your hand.

[donny5k]

It's 4 handed.

[9cao]

I fold preflop but only because raiser only has 80 BB's and I wouldn't be sure that I was going 3-way.

I would raise the turn because you are pretty vulnerable and not a great spot to get tricky. Also, I think calling will slow Villain down if he has TT-KK anyways so you might as well try to extract some value from AK/AQ.

I would check the river simply because the any draws (although unlikely) missed and it would be a spot for AK/AQ to induce a bluff. I don't see many hands you beat calling the river.

[Hans Gruber]

I check this pretty fast. As stated above, I don't see many hands you beat that call you. Overpairs to the flop might call a smallish bet, but by betting small you risk getting blown off your hand. And A-7 thru A-K, which beat you now, are not going to fold at this point.

[KaneKungFu123]

raise the turn, check the river, delete the game number from the hh.