Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I am

[DrPublo]

SB has been conspicuously bad at calling down with 2nd best hands. BB is new/unknown.

Watch the BB's play all the way. What's my line on the turn?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP ($393)
Button ($97.95)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($293.39)</font>
BB ($329.18)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($196.05)</font>

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $13</font>, BB calls $12, Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($42) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $40</font>, SB calls $40, BB calls $40.

Turn: ($162) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero....

Also note that while I've been sitting for a bit at this table this is the first hand I've really played.

All comments welcome. Thanks,

The Doc

[alphatmw]

i think SB has AK. but when it keeps getting checked to me i can't help but bet, so if SB is trapping, he'd probably get me.

AA or KK would not be playing a coordinated flop so passively.

[jkkkk]

The only thing your beating here is a straight draw, or possibly top pair!?

You can't bet without committing yourself, I think taking a free card is probably best, theres a strong possibility that one of them is going for a check-push.

[fimbulwinter]

check through the turn. decide the river based on the card.

benefits of betting this turn are far outweighed by calling all in drawing dead to a flush.

fim

[TheWorstPlayer]

There isn't really very much 'calling all-in' since if he bets the turn he will have to push, I believe. In any case, because of this situation, I prefer just to check the flop. I would have expected to get check/raised on that flop about 80% of the time. Yuck.

[DrPublo]

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There isn't really very much 'calling all-in' since if he bets the turn he will have to push, I believe. In any case, because of this situation, I prefer just to check the flop. I would have expected to get check/raised on that flop about 80% of the time. Yuck.

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Definitely can't check the flop. I'm ahead too often and there are too many cards I don't want to see on the turn. Also note that if I do get c/r'ed on the flop, I don't mind getting it all in.


The Doc

[TheWorstPlayer]

Which cards, other than the 5c, do you not want to see on the turn?

[DrPublo]

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Which cards, other than the 5c, do you not want to see on the turn?

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I bet the full pot on the flop. This is actually rare for me, as my usual bet is about 75-85% of the pot regardless of if I have a monster or am just continuation betting. I got called in 2 spots after some fairly aggressive preflop action.

Preflop, for the SB to reraise the FIRST hand I played at the table, I put him on a big pair and possibly AK with about a 20% chance for something like 66 and below (I've seen players do this to try and win a huge pot when they hit). For the BB to cold-call instantly told me something like 99-JJ and maybe AK.

On the flop I'm most worried about the BB but the reraise-check line from the SB is just so freaking suspicious that I need to bet and see what's going on. Called in two spots and I instantly start to think about a flush draw (Ac Kc?) and the BB's call-call line is getting even more suspicious.

Thus I potentially don't want to see a club on the turn, a board-pairing card, or even a Q. Thats like 18 cards or something.

I checked the turn because I thought it was reasonably likely that I was either dead to a flush or way behind a set (that was also scared by the club and decided to let another card go by to try and fill). The river makes me a 5 card hand which gives me showdown value, and I called a less-than-half pot bet from the SB (the BB dropped...can't be sure what he had).

The Doc

[theben]

i think caution wins...knock the table

[DrPublo]

I decide to take the free card and check behind.

River: K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB bets $60, BB folds (!!), I call.

SB shows T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Chop chop. Did not see that one coming.

The Doc