Flopped set w/ 77

wuarhg · #1 01-02-2005, 08:31 PM

My argument for calling preflop was that I was expecting alot of coldcalls behind me, this table was a really nice one. The turn play puzzled me, should I just have called?

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB (LA-A) calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
LA-A bets, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
LA-A bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, LA-A 3-bets, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

River: (15 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
LA-A bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

Shillx · #2 01-02-2005, 08:35 PM

Raise the flop dude. I've seen so many "slowplay" hands like this in the last few days. You are just leaving bets on the table by calling the flop.

Brad

SparkyDog · #3 01-02-2005, 08:36 PM

I would call the turn 3 bet and raise the river, calling a 3 bet.

Since he's a LA-A, chances are he just autobet the flop and when he spiked an ace on the turn he went apeshit with it. I wouldn't fear a flush yet.

wuarhg · #4 01-02-2005, 08:38 PM

I've got one thing into my head. Mainly it was something like... flushdraws get money if I raise this flop but I do too [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. I have gotten into the bad habit of calling the flop if there's alot of people between me and the bettor. I usually raise if I can face them with two cold.

SparkyDog · #5 01-02-2005, 08:41 PM

Why? If you get just two players to go for two BB, you've made more than a flop raise.

If there's just 50% chance of the same action happening on the turn, waiting to raise is more profitable.

Shillx · #6 01-02-2005, 08:41 PM

100% backwards logic. Try to trap people with sets rather then face them with multiple bets.

Brad

BottlesOf · #7 01-02-2005, 08:42 PM

Probably fold preflop. Raise the flop.

wuarhg · #8 01-02-2005, 08:54 PM

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100% backwards logic. Try to trap people with sets rather then face them with multiple bets.

Brad

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Is this a good idea if there's a possible flushdraw out? I guess a flushdraw wont fold so a raise really doesn't do that much. It could trap someone with middle or even top pair, right?

Can anyone explain what they go through before deciding if they will raise or call in this hand?

SparkyDog · #9 01-02-2005, 09:18 PM

> Is this a good idea if there's a possible flushdraw out? I guess a flushdraw wont fold so a raise really doesn't do that much. It could trap someone with middle or even top pair, right?

One of the benefits of waiting to raise is you can get 2 large bets from the flush draws when they are 4-1 to come in instead of 2-1 (assuming a blank falls on the turn). No real way to protect your hand here, so pump it and hope you win.

Even if a flush card does come, sometimes I raise anyways, depending on the number of players and how the action is going. You'll still have a 10 out draw even if a flush is out.

DemonDeac Holding Rockets · #10 01-02-2005, 09:23 PM

don't mind the call preflop based on ur table read, but you MUST raise the flop. get the money in when ur the favorite.