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Old 09-09-2005, 01:19 PM
benkahuna benkahuna is offline
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Default Re: anyone else pissed off at that rapper for saying bush doesnt care.

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Or, maybe he notices that Louisiana has a distinctly freedom heritage.

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Old 09-09-2005, 01:47 PM
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Default Re: anyone else pissed off at that rapper for saying bush doesnt care.

1)yes he is right

2)come on if Kanye doesn't TAKE 15 seconds to voice his opinion on live TV you will never hear it.

3)he is right.
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Old 09-09-2005, 02:22 PM
4_2_it 4_2_it is offline
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Default Re: anyone else pissed off at that rapper for saying bush doesnt care.....

Having lived in Florida most of my life I would like to set some of the facts straight (BTW -I am not a Bush apologist by a long shot and Kanye can say whatever he wants since we still live in America).

1) Local authorities are responsible for hurricane planning (i.e. evacuations, food, shelters, everything). Anyone who has ever lived in a hurricane region sees the following every June:
-- umpteen TV specials on hurricane preparedness,
-- newspaper special sections on shelter locations, how to prepare and what to do
-- most grocery stores and Home Depot locations have big hurricane guides that list items you can buy to be prepared and safety tips on how to secure your home before evacuating

2) Every time we had a hurricane watch or warning there every time there was an evacuation (I went through three) you were told to bring enough food and water for several days. If you were going to ride it out, then you be prepared to be self-sufficient for a week. There were always number sto call if you needed assistance and police usually came through each neighborhood with bullhorns letting everyone know they needed to get out.

3) After the storm, the governor of Florida would declare an area a disaster and then have to ask for federal assistance for whatever the Florida National Guard couldn't handle.

4) Federal officials (FEMA) come in to help those impacted by the storm. From my experience, their jobs mostly consisted of getting everything back to normal and not search and rescue or looter control. That was usually handled by the National Guard and local law enforcement.

Now to my point, I understand that many of victims could not get out on their own, but the blame for this is first on the local officials in NO, then on state officials for not getting the National Guard in there and finally on federal officials for not being ready with search and rescue ops. From what I have read, the City of NO had a sound evacuation plan, but never put it into place, which in my opinion is criminal.

Frankly, I would have had a huge problem if Bush, on the day after the hurricane, declared that he was in charge and disregarded the powers of the state and local governments. This goes against every principle this nation was founded upon. That is why I cannot give the lion's share of the blame to Bush and his cronies. There are plenty of other things to blame him for.

The people of Louisiana now (sadly) realize they have elected imcompotents who failed them in the worst way possible. That is one lesson the rest of us should take away from this.

There is plenty of blame to pass around.

I am curious to hear from those who went through Charley and Andrew to see if their experience was similar to mine.
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Old 09-09-2005, 02:25 PM
kagame kagame is offline
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Default Re: anyone else pissed off at that rapper for saying bush doesnt care.

name the last time anyone had the balls to deviate from a script like this

the best thing for our country right now is as much free speech as possible

its the freaking PRESS! freedom of the press!

good grief

are we fascist yet? no?

how about now?
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Old 09-09-2005, 02:27 PM
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Default Re: anyone else pissed off at that rapper for saying bush doesnt care.

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Now to my point, I understand that many of victims could not get out on their own, but the blame for this is first on the local officials in NO, then on state officials for not getting the National Guard in there and finally on federal officials for not being ready with search and rescue ops.

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I live outside the hurricane zone, but that's how I always figured it went.

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That is why I cannot give the lion's share of the blame to Bush and his cronies. There are plenty of other things to blame him for [...] There is plenty of blame to pass around.

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It's a shame Bush gets so much blame for the Katrina disaster; there are much bigger things that can be pinned more absolutely to him.
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Old 09-09-2005, 02:28 PM
Quicksilvre Quicksilvre is offline
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Default Re: anyone else pissed off at that rapper for saying bush doesnt care.

Not the same thing. The question was whether Kanye pissed anyone off, not whether the TV feed should have been cut.

(It shouldn't have been, even though I think Kanye picked a bad spot.)
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Old 09-09-2005, 03:28 PM
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Default Re: anyone else pissed off at that rapper for saying bush doesnt care.

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I guess the government (Bush) handing out free $2,000 debit cards is nothing right?

I guess you already know that the day after the Hurricane Bush was in Louisiana with a plan for the federal government to step in and start cleaning up this mess but was told by the Louisiana governor that they would need 24 hours to "think about it."

No matter how you feel about it, the man picked a bad time and place to say what he did.

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This is a joke, right? $2,000 dollars? $2,000 dollars? These people are dying left and right, there houses are gone, they don't have clean socks or shoes to put on and the best our own government can do is $2,000 dollars?

This is supposed to be the greatest country in the world and you know who is doing most of the work to get these people back on there feet? American citizens like you and me, not the government. Hell I read that a Costa Rican sportsbook hundreds and hundreds of miles away bought a truck in america and got water, food, and clothing to NO faster then our own government. Its a sad day in America. We have telethons asking for support but our own government doesnt even go to big business, corporations and say hey we'll give you guys tax breaks if you donate what you can down there. All they need to do is go to Avian, Walmart, Fruit of a loom, and any food companies and offer that and this [censored] would be good, but instead its coming out of our pockets (which i dont mind) but its the governments responsibility to take care of our own.

So in response to what Kanye said, yeah I'm from Chicago, I'm white, and I enjoy his music, and support people from where I am but was it bad timing? yeah, was it wrong? no. And most importantly was it true? Definetely.

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Old 09-09-2005, 03:44 PM
4_2_it 4_2_it is offline
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Default Re: anyone else pissed off at that rapper for saying bush doesnt care.

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This is a joke, right? $2,000 dollars? $2,000 dollars? These people are dying left and right, there houses are gone, they don't have clean socks or shoes to put on and the best our own government can do is $2,000 dollars?


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I don't remember the victims of Hurricanes Hugo, Andrew or Charley (all major storms where thousands lost everything) getting $2,000 debit cards, so don't demean it. It is obviously a stop gap to allow people to buy food, water, shelter until all the red tape is untangled. These people will most likely get temporary housing, food stamps and other gov't assistance while they get back on their feet. There are people still living in trailers in Punta Gorda, Florida from when Charley destroyed their homes last year.

BTW - I don't disagree with the rest of your rant.
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Old 09-09-2005, 04:03 PM
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Default Re: anyone else pissed off at that rapper for saying bush doesnt care.

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2)come on if Kanye doesn't TAKE 15 seconds to voice his opinion on live TV you will never hear it.


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Yes, I was very happy I got the opportunity to hear Kanye West's political opinions on TV. He's obviously qualified to talk on the matter, isn't he? America must hear his voice!
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Old 09-09-2005, 04:26 PM
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Default Re: anyone else pissed off at that rapper for saying bush doesnt care.

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On the real, George Bush doesn't care about black people or any other group of people that won't help him get another republican elected in 2008.

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Or unless he can make some change off of it...
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