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Old 12-29-2005, 04:56 PM
unlucky513 unlucky513 is offline
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Default Re: 100 NL - JJ - coordinated flop

well buddy, we obviously disagree.

i can assure you that bloating the pot w/ JJ on that board is bad and will lose you a lot of money in the long run.
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Old 12-29-2005, 04:58 PM
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Default Re: 100 NL - JJ - coordinated flop

I'm just going to "ditto" poboy's response to you, only adding this:

You seem to advocate an incredibly weak approach to what is likely the best hand postflop.
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Old 12-29-2005, 07:30 PM
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Default Re: 100 NL - JJ - coordinated flop

I want to see some other respected posters give some thoughts on this hand as I think it's interesting and not a clear action either way.

I'm going to disagree with the concept of 'having to take charge of the hand' on the flop when I have position and a potential donk betting into me when I've got the best draw and probably the best hand. In position I can command my hands regardless of who is leading off the betting.

I don't want the Villain 3-bet pushing here unless I'm looking to gambool to set a table image as well. You're getting 2:1 facing an extra $60 from villain and have at best 8 outs with two to come. Likely some tainted outs by his action as well.

BUMP it up.
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:08 PM
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Default Re: 100 NL - JJ - coordinated flop

Interesting hand.

Some reasons to raise:
-Regain the initiative.
-Don't allow a cheap(er)draw for a possible A10,A9,KQ, etc.
-Gain more value from possible J10, TP type hand.
-Take it down now.

Some reasons to call:
-Sexy draw
-Does not bloat the pot with 1 pair/draw
-Does not reopen betting
-Position on the hand

I think calling is best here. I do think we are ahead here, but if we are reraised, I won't like it. With the overpair/OESD+position, I think calling is best. No need to blow this pot out of control with our hand.

As played, (if villan calls the raise): if a blank turn comes on turn and villan checks, I probobly check behind. Take the free card.

If a A, 10, or K come and villan bets, I probobly have to reevaluate the bet size. Really depends I think.
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