600 nl KK UTG - Page 2

LuvDemNutz · #11 05-12-2005, 08:55 AM

I like checkraising the flop and leading the turn.

DaveduFresne · #12 05-12-2005, 08:57 AM

Am I the only who likes a reraise preflop here?

This is a bit above the limit I play, so perhaps you mid limit guys like to get trickier with your pocket pairs, but personally I prefer to get as much money in preflop as possible, UNLESS a player is so well known to you that his position and the size of his raise allows you to put him on a specific hand.

In this scenario, you've only got 30 in preflop, with 570 more to potentially lose. Maybe I'm a little too risk averse, but I hate to put in that much more money without a good idea of what villian has. A reraise and how villian reacts to it should help you to define his hand, and make flop decisions a bit easier.

Of course he could just smoothcall your reraise if he has Aces, but he's more likely to pop you back. Poker is a game of imperfect information, but I think the reraise here makes your life easier.

David

gomberg · #13 05-12-2005, 02:01 PM

yeah - I agree with this. limp-reraise is the way to go here in my mind. I'd raise it up to about $120 or so and then get the rest in there throughout the hand if he calls (or try to figure out if he has an A when an A flops). I'm very ABC though [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

as played, this seems like a big pot hand, so I like to lead out and see what happens.

parttimepro · #14 05-12-2005, 02:23 PM

Limp-reraising pf will define your hand very well, and if he calls, you'll have to play a big pot out of position without a good handle on what your opponent has.

You can't assume AA pops it back. If I have AA and have been limp-reraised, I'll do a little chair dance, because 2 out of 3 times I'm about to stack KK. When I have position on the reraiser, it's an easy smooth call. On the flop, the pot is $240 and we each have $480. If KK bets $200 or more, he's pot committed. I'll push, and he'll worry about a set or AA, but he'll be getting almost 3:1 odds, so he'll call.

On this particular hand, I think either leading or c/ring the flop will get you money. I prefer leading, because I often lead into a preflop raiser on a junk flop, both with nothing and with sets.

Heimdal · #15 05-12-2005, 02:46 PM

I always reraise preflop with AA and KK. I wanted to try something new. And a limpreraise would tell him what I had and he could get away from his hand.

But since I never call with KK, I had no idea of how to play it: I check-called flop, checkraised a jack on turn. The river was a queen and I went all in... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

I deserved to lose the way I played it, but after the hand I didn't know a better line. I do now

He had JJ.

gomberg · #16 05-12-2005, 02:50 PM

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Limp-reraising pf will define your hand very well, and if he calls, you'll have to play a big pot out of position without a good handle on what your opponent has.

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That's fine - as long as I don't give him implied odds, I can tell him what I've got. I'm relying on my preflop edge to pull me through. Also, as an overall game plan, limp-reraising should be done w/ more than just AA/KK.

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You can't assume AA pops it back. If I have AA and have been limp-reraised, I'll do a little chair dance, because 2 out of 3 times I'm about to stack KK

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That's fine - AA is one of many possible hands here, and I'm just not going to really worry about. If I had AA there, I would put opponent on KK and push knowing he won't be able to fold unless he's a total rock (although a call is fine as well - then you just have to hope no A or K or probably Q on the flop).

kado · #17 05-12-2005, 02:52 PM

Yea definetly should not have played it like that

ML4L · #18 05-12-2005, 02:56 PM

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full stacks = 100xbb?

i think i would lead out. if he autobets this flop, there's no way to know what he has by check calling, etc. by leading out, you can pretty much narrow down his range of hands. if he calls, he probably has AA/KK/QQ/JJ and can procced with caution. if he raises, it's PROBABLY a good idea to muck.

i would probably lead the turn again if he called, and see his action. if he moves in, it's a faster muck, as he's not going to get much fold equity by raising your double barrel shotgun blast.

on the river, if you get that far, i'd check/fold. he would not bet the river with QQ/JJ and would probably want to get a showdown.

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Say it ain't so, Doug. Say it ain't so...

ML4L

spoohunter · #19 05-12-2005, 03:17 PM

Skeme read the Original Posters range of hands for his opponent.

Your Mom · #20 05-12-2005, 05:21 PM

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full stacks = 100xbb?

i think i would lead out. if he autobets this flop, there's no way to know what he has by check calling, etc. by leading out, you can pretty much narrow down his range of hands. if he calls, he probably has AA/KK/QQ/JJ and can procced with caution. if he raises, it's PROBABLY a good idea to muck.

i would probably lead the turn again if he called, and see his action. if he moves in, it's a faster muck, as he's not going to get much fold equity by raising your double barrel shotgun blast.

on the river, if you get that far, i'd check/fold. he would not bet the river with QQ/JJ and would probably want to get a showdown.

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I don't play much no limit, but even I know this is terrible.