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12-15-2005, 04:11 AM
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Who bats 9th?
Batting your worst player last so he gets the least number of ABs throughout the season is often the prevailing logic in the NL. The pitcher usually bats last. (Allthough I'll admit that even when the pitcher is a decent hitter he still usually bats last even if he's a better hitter than one of the other 8.)
But in the AL that doesn't seem to be the case. Teams often will use a "second leadoff hitter" in the 9 hole. The Yankees hit Miguel Cairo 9th 2 years ago when he was hitting around .300 with very little power. Last year they used Robinson Cano (solid average, average power) a lot in the 9 hole. These are the examples I'm familiar with since I am a Yankees fan, but there are others throughout the league. What do you guys think of this strategy? 
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#2
12-15-2005, 04:14 AM
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Re: Who bats 9th?
It's retarded. Bat your worst player 9th.
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12-15-2005, 04:22 AM
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Re: Who bats 9th?
Miguel Cairo was the worst Yankee hitter that year, and Cano for most of the season was the Yankees worst hitter.
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#4
12-15-2005, 04:34 AM
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Re: Who bats 9th?
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Miguel Cairo was the worst Yankee hitter that year, and Cano for most of the season was the Yankees worst hitter. [/ QUOTE ] Cairo was tied for second on the team in batting average with Jeter, just behind Matsui.
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#5
12-15-2005, 04:54 AM
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Re: Who bats 9th?
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[ QUOTE ] Miguel Cairo was the worst Yankee hitter that year, and Cano for most of the season was the Yankees worst hitter. [/ QUOTE ] Cairo was tied for second on the team in batting average with Jeter, just behind Matsui. [/ QUOTE ] Oh wow, my bad.
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#7
12-15-2005, 02:43 PM
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Re: Who bats 9th?
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It's retarded. Bat your worst player 9th. [/ QUOTE ] you don't always bat your worst hitter 9th, saying this is naive. it depends on the makeup of your lineup and what you have as far as power and speed. the OP has a point and it is very effective if the team has the correct perssonnel to do so though that its not always the case as well.
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#8
12-15-2005, 07:09 PM
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Re: Who bats 9th?
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[ QUOTE ] It's retarded. Bat your worst player 9th. [/ QUOTE ] you don't always bat your worst hitter 9th, saying this is naive. it depends on the makeup of your lineup and what you have as far as power and speed. the OP has a point and it is very effective if the team has the correct perssonnel to do so though that its not always the case as well. [/ QUOTE ] Obviously if you want to alternate L/R better or something, you might move him up a spot, but having a second "table-setter" is not an optimal strategy. Lineup construction has more or less been solved. "Optimal Lineups" are essentially: #1. Traditional Leadoff Hitter is usually oka here, you want to stick your best hitter that doesn't hti a ton of homers. You can sacrifice some OBP for speed. 2-9 order your best hitters by 1.8OBP+SLG Doesn't do much, of course. Maybe 15 runs over a season. Still, that's about $2 million...
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#9
12-15-2005, 07:34 PM
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Re: Who bats 9th?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It's retarded. Bat your worst player 9th. [/ QUOTE ] you don't always bat your worst hitter 9th, saying this is naive. it depends on the makeup of your lineup and what you have as far as power and speed. the OP has a point and it is very effective if the team has the correct perssonnel to do so though that its not always the case as well. [/ QUOTE ] Obviously if you want to alternate L/R better or something, you might move him up a spot, but having a second "table-setter" is not an optimal strategy. Lineup construction has more or less been solved. "Optimal Lineups" are essentially: #1. Traditional Leadoff Hitter is usually oka here, you want to stick your best hitter that doesn't hti a ton of homers. You can sacrifice some OBP for speed. 2-9 order your best hitters by 1.8OBP+SLG Doesn't do much, of course. Maybe 15 runs over a season. Still, that's about $2 million... [/ QUOTE ] Let me get this straight. You want David Ortiz to bat #2 for the 2005 Red Sox?
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#10
12-15-2005, 07:54 PM
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Re: Who bats 9th?
Yes. He will get approximately 20 more PA, and when he comes to bat at the beginning of the game he'll always be batting with 0 or no outs. Unless you have two great hitters in front of him, you'll rarely have two men on for him anyway, and you're pretty much assured that his at-bats will come with less expectancy because there will be 1 ot 2 out.
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