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09-13-2005, 01:21 PM
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[ QUOTE ] What the hell do you want? [/ QUOTE ] He wants something to blame Bush for. You know, to try to hide the corruption and utter incompetence of the previous administration probably. [/ QUOTE ] Seems like Bush is blaming himself: Bush: 'I take responsibility' for U.S. failures 
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#33
09-13-2005, 01:36 PM
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[ QUOTE ] What the hell do you want? [/ QUOTE ] He wants something to blame Bush for. You know, to try to hide the corruption and utter incompetence of the previous administration probably. [/ QUOTE ] i cant believe that this is still the generic conservative response to criticism. yes, the previous administration was sooooo corrupt that they didnt even give giant government contracts to companies the vice president used to work for...buttt....the *former* president got a blowjob, hence rendering him the most corrupt, incompetant president of all time...and i mean besides our economy doing ridiculously well and an expansion in general social welfare, he sucks because he didnt cut our taxes and then start an open-ended, war on ideologies. what a miserable failure. rj
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#34
09-13-2005, 01:53 PM
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yes, the previous administration was sooooo corrupt that they didnt even give giant government contracts to companies the vice president used to work for [/ QUOTE ] You do realize that Clinton gave Halliburton a no-contract bid for work in the Serbian theater, right?
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#35
09-13-2005, 02:18 PM
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You do mention The Insurrection Act again, which was not needed, as the President has other authorities granted to him to send National Guard in this type of situation. [/ QUOTE ] I don't believe you. Prove this is so, because everything I've read so far has indicated that the President has no such power in these circumstances. [ QUOTE ] Daddy Bush did just that. He issued a proclamation over the Rodney King riots, and federalized the California National Guard four hours later, over the objections of local authorities, during the Rodney King riots. [/ QUOTE ] The mayor requested federal troops and the governor approved. They DID request this federalization, which btw occured after the CANG had more or less accomplished the task of restorign law and order. I'm not sure which "local authorities" that objected you're talking about. [ QUOTE ] So put your hands over your ears -- chant LA-LA-LA-LA-LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU - LA-LA-LA-LA-LA -- and keep beliveing that the President can't federalize troops without permission for the State. [/ QUOTE ] YOU have done nothing to support your contention that the President has such a power except point to an example that doesn't even support your conclusion.
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#36
09-13-2005, 02:51 PM
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We do not yet have teleporter or replicator technology like you saw on 'Star Trek' in college between hookah hits and waiting to pick up your worthless communications degree while the grown-ups actually engaged in the recovery effort were studying engineering. [/ QUOTE ] Haha, this quote is clearly fabricated.
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#38
09-13-2005, 03:49 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What the hell do you want? [/ QUOTE ] He wants something to blame Bush for. You know, to try to hide the corruption and utter incompetence of the previous administration probably. [/ QUOTE ] i cant believe that this is still the generic conservative response to criticism. yes, the previous administration was sooooo corrupt that they didnt even give giant government contracts to companies the vice president used to work for...buttt....the *former* president got a blowjob, hence rendering him the most corrupt, incompetant president of all time...and i mean besides our economy doing ridiculously well and an expansion in general social welfare, he sucks because he didnt cut our taxes and then start an open-ended, war on ideologies. what a miserable failure. rj [/ QUOTE ] What an ignorant response. the *former* president got a blowjob, hence rendering him the most corrupt, incompetant president of all time I could care less about that. I am talking about the fact that he was told about Bin Laden being a threat, yet, when given the chance to apprehend him, he was too busy at a golf tournament. Then his administration blocked the transfer of information the Army had uncovered to the FBI about Mohammed Atta it seems. At the same time, he sold advanced technology (for missles no less) to the Chinese. He was basically bought and paid for by the Chinese, exactly how many campaign donation scandals were there involving Clinton and the Chinese? While he was doing this, he was *lying* (read: committing perjury) before a Grand Jury. This coming from a lawyer, who apparently believed the President is above the law. Note, he did get DISBARED! Clinton had almost NOTHING to do with the expansion of the economy. In fact, Clinton probably helped bring about the burst of the economic bubble (he wasn't the cause, it was doomed to fail the way people were throwing away money). His tax hikes and spending habits virtually assured an economic slowdown. Despite this (and in part due to REPUBLICANS balancing the budget) the economy grew. I cannot fathom how you infer that Bush has declared war on ideologies while not seeing those Clinton crusaded for. For more war information please look at Kosovo, Somalia, Haiti, etc. Now, check your facts son, Clinton gave many of the same contracts to Haliburton that Bush's administration did. Difference? Cheney didn't work for Haliburton when the contracts were awarded under Bush. Face it, Haliburton is the only company in the US that does what it does (which is a hell of a lot), there are not that many options to choose from. Funny how no one ever talks about all the government contracts Haliburton received under Clinton. Furthermore, your assertion that Clinton expanded social welfare in this country is dead on. He sure did screw us up even more. All we need is the government doing everything for us. The racist party (Democrats) has convinced many black people that they cannot succeed without the help of government. What do you leftists think? Are blacks not smart enough, not talented enough, not motivated enough to succeed without your "help"? The Democratic party is the most racist political organization in the history of our country if only due to their hypocracy. what a miserable failure. Clinton sure was.
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#39
09-13-2005, 04:10 PM
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Re: Federal Response to Katrina FASTER than to Andrew, Hugo & Others
nice post, except jack kelly's column is full of falsehoods.
[ QUOTE ] In a September 10 column, Toledo Blade and Pittsburgh Post-Gazette columnist Jack Kelly put forth numerous falsehoods and dubious statements in defense of the Bush administration's response to Hurricane Katrina. Kelly's column was quickly embraced by the conservative media: On September 12, it was posted on the Drudge Report and read aloud by Rush Limbaugh on his nationally syndicated radio program. Claim #1: Federal government couldn't have had "preposition[ed] assets" near New Orleans ready to immediately assist relief effort Kelly sought to defend the federal government's much-criticized response to the hurricane by citing an anonymous "former Air Force logistics officer" who claimed on the weblog Molten Thought that "[y]ou cannot speed recovery and relief efforts up by prepositioning assets (in the affected areas) since the assets are endangered by the very storm which destroyed the region." Kelly then adopted the point, declaring that "Navy ships sailing from Norfolk [Naval Shipyard in Virginia] can't be on the scene immediately." In fact, a Navy ship -- the USS Bataan -- was "preposition[ed]" off the Louisiana coast ready to aid Katrina victims but was deprived of needed guidance by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), as the Chicago Tribune reported on September 4. Moreover, the Bush administration did not send a hospital ship to New Orleans from Baltimore until four days after the levees were breached. Kelly wrote that the Army Corps of Engineers had by September 10 "begun pumping water out of New Orleans." But James Lee Witt, FEMA director in the Clinton administration, said that both efforts should have happened much sooner: "[I]n the 1990s, in planning for a New Orleans nightmare scenario, the federal government figured it would pre-deploy nearby ships with pumps to remove water from the below-sea-level city and have hospital ships nearby." Claim #2: Federal government "pretty much met standard time lines" in initial response to Katrina; responded with "unprecedented" speed in following days Kelly cited a whitewash of the federal government's delayed response by Florida Army National Guardsman Jason van Steenwyk, who claimed that the "federal government pretty much met its standard time lines" in responding to the crisis. According to the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) December 2004 National Response Plan (NRP), when responding to a catastrophic incident, the federal government should immediately begin emergency operations, even in the absence of a clear assessment of the situation. Because a "detailed and credible common operating picture may not be achievable for 24 to 48 hours (or longer) after the incident," the NRP's "Catastrophic Annex" states that "response activities must begin without the benefit of a detailed or complete situation and critical needs assessment." In fact, it wasn't until August 31, two days after the hurricane struck, that DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff declared Katrina an "Incident of National Significance," "triggering for the first time a coordinated federal response to states and localities overwhelmed by disaster," according to the Associated Press. Kelly also cited Steenwyk's claim that the federal response to Katrina "during the 72-96 hour" period was "unprecedented" and "faster" than all other recent storms, including Hurricane Andrew. But, as CJR Daily has noted, Miami Herald columnist Leonard Pitts Jr., whose house was damaged by Andrew, had a different recollection in a September 9 Herald op-ed: The day after I crawled from the wreckage of my home in 1992, the Federal Emergency Management Agency was there with water. Shortly thereafter came low-interest loans and other forms of help. By contrast, a woman who saw me conducting interviews in Bogalusa, La., seven days after Katrina struck marched up and demanded to know if I was, finally, the man from FEMA because her house was split in two and she and her husband and children and grandchildren were sleeping on the porch. Claim #3: "The levee broke Tuesday morning" Kelly falsely claimed that flooding first began in New Orleans on August 30, writing that "[t]he levee broke Tuesday morning." While it is unclear exactly which levee Kelly was referring to, "major levee breaks" first occurred on "the morning of Monday, Aug. 29," as The Wall Street Journal noted (subscription required) on September 12. The New Orleans office of the National Weather Service issued a flash flood warning at 8:14 a.m. Monday, saying 'a levee breach occurred along the industrial canal at Tennessee Street,'" according to the Journal. As Media Matters for America has documented, a weblog of the New Orleans Times-Picayune -- dated August 29, 2 p.m. CT -- noted that "City Hall confirmed a breach of the levee along the 17th Street Canal at Bellaire Drive, allowing water to spill into Lakeview." This initial report on the Times-Picayune weblog was followed throughout the afternoon and evening of August 29 by reports of other levee breaks and massive flooding. [/ QUOTE ] Mr. Kelly debunked further at http://mediamatters.org/items/200509120009
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#40
09-13-2005, 06:19 PM
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okay, so what makes the previous administration "corrupt and utterly incompetant" and the current administration not "corrupt and utterly incompetant"? rj [/ QUOTE ] I never said the previous administration was corrupt and incompetent. I was merely pointing out the fact that the previous administration used no-bid contracts to Halliburton as well. Knowing that, I am sure you can see the flaw in using this is as some sort of point against the Bush administration.
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