Big Pair, 3 opponents.. Wimpy 6th street check?

[BeerMoney]

I don't think much of my opponent on my left.

Advice on 4th, 6th and 7th street fold appreciated.


7 Card Stud High ($20/$40), Ante $2, Bring-In $5 (hand converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___completes
Seat 4: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls

4th Street - (4.95 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___raises
Seat 4: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

5th Street - (6.98 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 4: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

6th Street - (9.98 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks
Seat 4: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks

River - (9.98 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___bets
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___checks___calls

Total pot: (11.98 BB)


Beer$$

[Roland]

Honestly, I can’t figure this one out.

You catch a scary suited card on 4th and are raised. The guy (who you don’t think much of) just caught a ten - but you also caught one. What the hell is he doing? What the hell is seat 1 doing?? No idea.
I like the 3-bet.

Dunno about 6th… Your cards are somewhat dead, so checking seems okay.

I guess the fold on the river is okay too.

I'm drunk.

[CJC]

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I don't think much of my opponent on my left.

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Then why are you checking 6th?

River is either Raise or Fold.. I don't have a problem with the fold. ( especially since 6th was checked )

CJ

P.S. - 4th street was played proper also [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[BeerMoney]

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River is either Raise or Fold.. I don't have a problem with the fold. ( especially since 6th was checked )

CJ



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Do you make this play a lot?

[CJC]

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Do you make this play a lot?

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If I feel the situation is correct.. and usually when I am playing bigger games.

CJ

[jon_1van]

I think your 6th street check is clearly correct. Run a couple sims. You are rarely ahead. Granted I'm assuming someone already has 2 small pair. (99TT)

I think the check from the player recieving the Ace on 6th is a little suspicious. Most would bet that card, even if they didn't have the Ace. It would be very hard to raise the player who just spiked the Ace, unless you have him badly beaten. I'm guessing when a 20/40 player checks here, he is looking for the check raise...(or he should be playing with me in 2/4)

[Michael Emery]

Honestly, you played this hand beautifuly. I'm glad to see you were smart enough to check behind on sixth after he caught that live ace. If I'm player 4 look for me to hold an ace underneath a good portion of the time with (9 A) 9 or (A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ) 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Getting check raised here would really, truly, definitely, no doubt, suck, big time. Even if the ace didnt hit him, theres a fair chance you're behind to two pair here. Well played.


Mike Emery

[CJC]

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Granted I'm assuming someone already has 2 small pair. (99TT)


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Why assume that? Could easily have just a straight draw or just one pair!

Look at the boards, our hero caught a card that could have easily removed one opponent with a bet ( which is what you want )

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Most would bet that card, even if they didn't have the Ace.

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No..

Do you always slow down when someone catches an Ace on 6th? In your 2-4 game I would worry about it more, not $20-40. Most reasonable $20-40 players wont stay in till 6th ( multi-way ) trying to spike an Ace. They would have been out by 5th.

I actually don't mean to sound too harsh, cause I am not too against checking in that spot.. I just don't like it with the boards / action in this instance.

CJ

[jon_1van]

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Most reasonable $20-40 players wont stay in till 6th ( multi-way ) trying to spike an Ace. They would have been out by 5th.

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Wouldn't most 20/40 player realizes that it would be very rare to get raised after you hit this card. The guy who got the Ace did already show some aggression....at a pretty wierd time.


I don't always slow down. But the combination of the wierd raise on 4th (which could be a 2 pair or an attempt to get a free card on 5th with a hand like 9A9T). Makes me want to check here. I don't think a straight draw is too likely because A :: Beer completed before the action hit this player and B :: the 4th street raise seems to want to kick people out, not keep the pot multiway, which I think the draw would want...right?

My basis for slowing down is that I don't think a straight draw likely. This means that the remaining hands I can put the opponent on seem to augue against raising.

But I'm not exactly sure I can make the assumptions I did about a bad 20/40 player. Just how bad is a bad 20/40 player?

[CJC]

Hello,

Like I said originally.. I am not that against checking 6th.. but hero caught the 5 of hearts, which gave him a three flush on board that was also another opponents doorcard. If he can get just one opponent to fold.. It is worth the one bet.. If he is check-raised, well then you have another decision.

To me, that raise on 4th screams NON two pair, cause the 2-pair hand is gonna wait till 5th ,cause THAT raise will get it heads-up. The raiser could have started with 9-10-J or something, and added a pair to his three straight. Raiser could of hade pocket JAcks or Queens. There are alot of possibilities. ( This is usually info you pick up by closely watching your opponents play throught the session. )

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Just how bad is a bad 20/40 player?


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I had the pleasure last year of playing a $20-40 session with THREE gentlemen that had never played stud before. I took about $2500 off them in 2 1/2 hours. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

CJ