The Peter Rus rule

[Robk]

i think people may be putting words in peters mouth. in the thread where i think this rule originated, peter presented strong evidence that the worst suited hands were not always profitable.

heres the first filter:

Q7s-,J7s-,T7s-, 96s-, 85s-,74s-,63s-,52s,42s,32s:

3 way flop: total hands 381, -0.33bb/h, W$WSF 19%, wtSD 23.48, w$SD 55.06%.
4+ way flop: total hands 383, -0.31bb/h, W$WSF 14.66%, wtSD 23.04, w$SD 52.27%

even at this sample size it looks clear that this group of hands is +EV on average. but of course that doesnt mean each of the hands is +EV. heres a 2nd filter from the same thread:

I try to move out Q's and J's from that list and here are results:

3-way: 216 hands,-0.57bb/h
4+-way: 224 hands, -0.27bb/h

Of course the sample size here is small. but with the group losing money on average it seems unlikely all the hands are +EV. in this post peter wrote:

Looks like i can safely remove most trashy suited hands from defending 3-way especially when original raiser is UTG-MP and very likely to have overpair

one last filter from the thread, suited trash ( T2s 92s 82s 72s T3s 93s 83s 73s T4s 94s 84s )

3-way: 109 hands, -0.62bb/h
4+-way: 116 hands, -0.35bb/h

[Peter_rus]

Thanks for posting this. I'm actually tired to clarify everywhere about this stuff. I'm smiling occasionally when finding some posts in small stakes looking like "Pretend to be Peter_rus - Defending with suited trash 3-way". People just missing rake structure there which force a lot of defending hands to wipe. I really don't know why calling suited trash 3-way-rule becomes so popular and always associated with my name. There are a lot more interesting things in TH, which i posted but people like this "rule" more. Just examining PT and find out how are you running in certain spots is easy and doesn't make much sense.

Currently,I use to muck many suited trash below J's in not stealing situations. Also quality of games and level of players is now higher that i faced at old 15/30 so i can't make such good profitability i got earlier, though i'm still defending a lot.

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one last filter from the thread, suited trash ( T2s 92s 82s 72s T3s 93s 83s 73s T4s 94s 84s )

3-way: 109 hands, -0.62bb/h
4+-way: 116 hands, -0.35bb/h



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Could we modify the rule to be almost always true by saying if there's a raiser and two cold callers you should call with any 2 suited cards in the big blind?

[baronzeus]

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one last filter from the thread, suited trash ( T2s 92s 82s 72s T3s 93s 83s 73s T4s 94s 84s )

3-way: 109 hands, -0.62bb/h
4+-way: 116 hands, -0.35bb/h



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Could we modify the rule to be almost always true by saying if there's a raiser and two cold callers you should call with any 2 suited cards in the big blind?

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i just filtered for the same hands and got 180 instances, (.14) bb/hand, 3 ppl to the flop.

Hi Baron,

With a raiser and 2 cold callers it would be 4 to the flop. 3 to the flop is the original rule.

[baronzeus]

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Hi Baron,

With a raiser and 2 cold callers it would be 4 to the flop. 3 to the flop is the original rule.

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yes, that is what i filtered for (3 to the flop). 4 to the flop is slightly better but only .02BB/hand