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Old 09-27-2004, 09:35 PM
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Default Does Phil Hellmuth deserve to be at the PSI over TJ Cloutier?

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Old 09-27-2004, 10:00 PM
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Default Re: Does Phil Hellmuth deserve to be at the PSI over TJ Cloutier?

9-5 in bracelets, right, 1-0 in the championship, right? No contest.
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Old 09-27-2004, 10:18 PM
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Default Re: Does Phil Hellmuth deserve to be at the PSI over TJ Cloutier?

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9-5 in bracelets, right, 1-0 in the championship, right? No contest.

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Phil deserves to be there, but certainly not over TJ Cloutier, he is the winningest tournament player of all time.
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Old 09-27-2004, 10:21 PM
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Default Re: Does Phil Hellmuth deserve to be at the PSI over TJ Cloutier?

Maybe not, but someone has to stick up for Phil or this thread gets boring fast!

I'd rather see TJ and Phil. I loved their moment at the TOC:

TJ: "OK, I could use an ace here."
Phil: "I mucked an Ace."
TJ: "Yeah, I really needed to know that, Phil."
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Old 09-27-2004, 10:27 PM
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Default Re: Does Phil Hellmuth deserve to be at the PSI over TJ Cloutier?

I think Phil deserves to be there over TJ Cloutier. Phil would do better against a strong table like the TOC than Cloutier will or would...
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Old 09-27-2004, 10:52 PM
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Default Re: Does Phil Hellmuth deserve to be at the PSI over TJ Cloutier?

I don't know if he deserves to be there over TJ, but he would make the show much more entertaining. I for one would love to see the fireworks that would errupt when Gus and Phil square off in a pot.
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Old 09-27-2004, 11:08 PM
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Default Re: Does Phil Hellmuth deserve to be at the PSI over TJ Cloutier?

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9-5 in bracelets, right, 1-0 in the championship, right? No contest.

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Not to mention that every single one of phils bracelets was in hold em, where cloutier only has 1 in hold em
Phil H.

1989 $10000 Championship Event - $755,000
1992 $5000 Limit Hold'em - $188,000
1993 $1500 Limit Hold'em - $138,000
1993 $2500 No Limit Hold'em - $161,400
1993 $5000 No Limit Hold'em - $173,000
1997 $3000 Pot Limit Hold'em - $204,000
2001 $2000 No Limit Hold'em - $316,550
2003 $2,500 Limit Hold'em - $171,400
2003 $3,000 No Limit Hold'em - $410,860


TJ Cloutier

1987 $1000 Limit Omaha - $72,000
1994 $2500 Pot Limit Hold'em - $163,000
1994 $1500 Omaha 8 or Better - $135,000
1998 $2500 Pot Limit Omaha - $136,000
2004 $1500 Razz - $90,500
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Old 09-28-2004, 12:58 AM
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Default Re: Does Phil Hellmuth deserve to be at the PSI over TJ Cloutier?

The PSI is a hold em event though. I don't doubt that Cloutier is a better all around poker player, but he isn't a better holdem player than Phil H.
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Old 09-28-2004, 01:03 AM
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Default Re: Does Phil Hellmuth deserve to be at the PSI over TJ Cloutier?

Gus Hansen's garbage hands would drive Phil crazy. It'd make great television.
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Old 09-28-2004, 01:37 AM
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Default Re: Does Phil Hellmuth deserve to be at the PSI over TJ Cloutier?


I heard that Phil was invited but his agent demanded a higher appearance fee than the other players received, and they refused.
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