Take a ride with me through my craptastic tourney play (long)

CrackerZack · #1 05-08-2004, 12:42 PM

Hello all. While I feel my tourney play is getting a bit better, I'm still utterly lost when out of position and its killing me. I know situations where you have a pair with an overcard on board and a flat caller behind you are never easy, but hopefully I can get some idea what I'm doing. I butchered a few of these hands, but give it to me straight. I don't mind being told how much I suck as long as there is a good explanation as to why I suck and how I could suck less. Without further adeiu...

*********** # 11 **************
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed)

MP3 (t1160)
CO (t1440)
Button (t1120)
SB (t1550)
BB (t2970)
UTG (t2150)
CrapperZack (t1470)
MP1 (t1610)
MP2 (t2960)

Preflop: CrapperZack is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, CrapperZack raises to t80, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls t70, BB folds, UTG calls t60.

Flop: (t260) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players) 
SB checks, UTG checks, CrapperZack bets t220, SB raises to t500, UTG calls t500, CrapperZack calls t280.

Turn: (t1760) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players) 
SB checks, UTG bets t200, CrapperZack folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: t1960

-I later discovered the SB in this hand is a total clown. UTG was loose, but not prone to running ridiculous bluffs. Since this is only hand 11 though, at the time I know none of this. Btw, my fold to the tiny bet was much more due to fear of a big raise from SB. At the time I didn't have enough info to have this fear but its was later proved to be justified as he moved in with any real hand or draw quite a bit. Again, i don't know this at the time.

*********** # 19 **************
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed)

CO (t2575)
Button (t1395)
SB (t2305)
BB (t2900)
UTG (t2940)
UTG+1 (t3060)
CrapperZack (t2235)
MP2 (t1770)
MP3 (t3250)

Preflop: CrapperZack is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, CrapperZack raises to t100, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls t85, BB calls t70.

Flop: (t300) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players) 
SB checks, BB checks, CrapperZack bets t250, SB calls t250, BB folds.

Turn: (t800) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players) 
SB checks, CrapperZack bets t800, SB calls t800.

River: (t2400) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players) 
SB checks, CrapperZack checks.

Final Pot: t2400

-I kept thinking of my AKs post from last week where no worse hand could call the river. I know this is a bit different, as top pair could call me, but should I bet this river?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed)

MP1 (t3985)
MP2 (t1200)
MP3 (t2310)
CO (t2445)
Button (t2690)
SB (t6350)
CrapperZack (t3490)
UTG (t3495)
UTG+1 (t9965)

Preflop: CrapperZack is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t100, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t100, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, CrapperZack checks.

Flop: (t400) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players) 
SB checks, CrapperZack checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: (t400) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players) 
SB checks, CrapperZack checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks.

River: (t400) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players) 
SB checks, CrapperZack checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks.

Final Pot: t400

-I checked with intention of check-raising a LP mini-steal bet here or folding to heavy action. After that failed I didn't really know where to go. help?

*********** # 68 **************
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed)

MP1 (t24280)
MP2 (t900)
MP3 (t2960)
CO (t4925)
Button (t2315)
SB (t11780)
CrapperZack (t5540)
UTG (t2045)
UTG+1 (t12490)

Preflop: CrapperZack is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t150, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, CrapperZack checks.

Flop: (t450) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players) 
SB checks, CrapperZack checks, UTG checks.

Turn: (t450) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players) 
SB checks, CrapperZack checks, UTG checks.

River: (t450) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players) 
SB checks, CrapperZack checks, UTG bets t750, SB raises to t3000, CrapperZack folds, UTG calls t1145 (All-In).

Final Pot: t5345

-this hand i posted becuase i thought it was funny. i considered taking a stab and thought, hey, maybe K-high is good here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] but decided against it. Oddly, SB flopped the boat and UTG turned nut flush.

*********** # 68 **************
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (8 handed)

BB (t24280)
UTG (t900)
UTG+1 (t2960)
MP1 (t10075)
MP2 (t2315)
CO (t9050)
CrapperZack (t5315)
SB (t12340)

Preflop: CrapperZack is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t150, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls t150, CrapperZack raises to t750, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls t600, CO calls t600.

Flop: (t2475) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players) 
UTG+1 checks, CO checks, CrapperZack checks.

Turn: (t2475) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players) 
UTG+1 checks, CO checks, CrapperZack bets t2150...

-I really don't like my flop check here but no one will fold a J or a draw here for really any bet. If I moved in they probably would fold a club draw, but not a J and moving in with AK after missing isn't in my repetiore yet. Turn bet good?

*********** # 106 **************
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed)

MP2 (t340)
CO (t8372)
Button (t21035)
SB (t5300)
BB (t11027)
CrapperZack (t6390)
UTG+1 (t15433)
MP1 (t1775)

Preflop: CrapperZack is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to t315, CO folds, Button folds, BB calls t215, CrapperZack calls t115.

Flop: (t795) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players) 
BB checks, CrapperZack checks.

Turn: (t795) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players) 
BB bets t800, CrapperZack folds.

River: (t1595) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players) 

Final Pot: t1595

-Hand converter screwed this up a bit. I was gonna be content to check it down unless I spiked a 7. Seems good, just checking though.

*********** # 110 **************
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed)

SB (t1655)
BB (t8072)
UTG (t23860)
UTG+1 (t5225)
MP1 (t11172)
CrapperZack (t5875)
CO (t14433)
Button (t6630)

Preflop: CrapperZack is MP2 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t200, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, CrapperZack calls t200, CO folds, Button raises to t800, SB folds, BB calls t600, UTG calls t600, CrapperZack folds.

Flop: (t2575) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players) 
BB bets t600, UTG calls t600, Button raises to t1600, BB calls t1000, UTG folds.

Turn: (t6375) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players) 
BB checks, Button bets t1800, BB calls t1800.

River: (t9975) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players) 
BB bets t3847 (All-In), Button calls t2405 (All-In).

Final Pot: t16227

-this was PF brain fart. There had been a couple of flops seen for one bet in the last few hands and I was hoping for another when i couldn't afford to bleed chips. Thoughts on the fold?

*********** # 112 **************
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed)

Button (t1530)
SB (t1442)
BB (t22435)
UTG (t5200)
UTG+1 (t11147)
CrapperZack (t5650)
MP2 (t14408)
CO (t15110)

Preflop: CrapperZack is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, CrapperZack raises to t700, MP2 folds, CO raises to t1200, Button folds, SB raises to t1417, BB folds, CrapperZack calls t717, CO calls t217.

Flop: (t4376) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players) 
CrapperZack checks, CO checks.

Turn: (t4376) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players) 
CrapperZack bets t2000, CO calls t2000.

River: (t8376) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players) 
CrapperZack bets t2208 (All-In), CO folds.

Final Pot: t10584

-Should i push this PF? I was planning a check-raise on the flop hoping to get a bit more dead money and show down vs all-in but in retrospect that seems dumb. Turn bet too much? I wanted him to call and was very pleased he did but still think it might've been to much to invite a call usually.

*********** # 113 **************
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed)

MP2 (t1480)
CO (t22185)
Button (t5050)
SB (t11397)
CrapperZack (t10834)
UTG (t14358)
UTG+1 (t11643)
MP1 (t8245)

Preflop: CrapperZack is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t200, CO calls t200, Button calls t200, SB folds, CrapperZack checks.

Flop: (t975) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players) 
CrapperZack checks, MP2 checks, CO bets t600, Button folds, CrapperZack raises to t2600, MP2 folds, CO calls t2000.

Turn: (t6175) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players) 
CrapperZack checks, CO checks.

River: (t6175) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players) 
CrapperZack checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: t6175

-very next hand, JJ again. Out of position, he called my raise, A on the turn, I got scared and shut it down. Any suggestions here would be greatly appreciated.

*********** # 124 **************
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed)

UTG (t1335)
UTG+1 (t8402)
MP1 (t20580)
MP2 (t8625)
MP3 (t18433)
CrapperZack (t14384)
Button (t23655)
SB (t19561)
BB (t19029)

Preflop: CrapperZack is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t400, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CrapperZack raises to t1400, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls t1000, MP1 folds.

Flop: (t3000) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players) 
BB checks, CrapperZack bets t2400, BB calls t2400.

Turn: (t7800) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players) 
BB checks, CrapperZack checks.

River: (t7800) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players) 
BB bets t800, CrapperZack calls t800.

Final Pot: t9400

-Same problem as above, overcard, out of position being called. His river bet was so small I couldn't possibly fold.

*********** # 129 **************
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed)

MP3 (t610)
CO (t12702)
Button (t15655)
SB (t8100)
BB (t17790)
Hero (t18284)
UTG+1 (t21930)
MP1 (t20261)
MP2 (t18129)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t1400, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t1400, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (t3000) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players) 
Hero checks, MP2 bets t2800, Hero .....

-I like my hand a lot but what to do with it? I think if I had more experience this hand is easy but instead I screwed it up. Thoughts?

Thanks in advance for anyone taking the time to go through these.

Zack

CrackerZack · #2 05-09-2004, 01:09 PM

bump

sam h · #3 05-09-2004, 02:31 PM

#11

I would usually just limp up front with this hand with small blinds and an unknown table. Once you bet the flop, get raised by the SB and the BB cold calls, I think it's a reraise or (more likely) fold situation. Calling there is your limit holdem brain speaking.

#19

I would probably bet the river here. This is where the limit brain probably does some good. Unless he has TT, you are 95% sure you are good since very few players will wait and try to checkraise the river with a big hand in this spot. You will get paid off by top pair here sometimes.

68s Hand

I would just bet a bit less than the pot on the flop. I don't like getting into that check-raise a late position player situation because that guy or somebody else is going to call a fair amount of the time. Then I find myself staring at an ugly turn card, feeling somewhat obligated to bet out, wondering how I got involved like this with a pair of sixes. If you just bet out the flop and somebody calls, you get the same situation but the pot is much smaller.

#68

I think checking behind here with AK is fine.

#110

Nothing wrong with limping with 55 here if you think there's a pretty good shot at seeing a flop at that price. It costs less than 4% of your stack, and taking a few chances to hit a big hand and get a commanding stack is something you have to do. Once it's raised, I would probably call just because the others did. There's 2700 plus antes in there, and if you do flop a set there are three players that cover you that might pay you off. I like the gamble here.

#112

I like how you played this one. Those min reraises scare me, so I definitely wouldn't push preflop. On the turn, 2000 is good in that it doesn't give him the right price to hit overs but is low enough that he might call.

#143

I would almost certainly raise here preflop and try to take it down uncontested. I would also bet out on the flop, probably about 1000, rather than CR. I don't want to play a big pot here with a vulnerable hand out of position. The turn card is ugly but unlikely to have helped him. You're primary worry is that he outflopped you. If he will rarely bluff with a worse hand or a OESD here, checking is fine. If it's a tricky LAG type, I probably grit my teeth and bet the turn, about 3K.

#124

I think you played this one fine.

#129

I would just bet this flop again. You either want the pot to be smallish going into the turn, or you want to get it all-in on the flop. What you don't want is to CR 40% of your stack on the flop, have the turn brick off, and be sitting there with king high and one card to go, playing a huge pot.

CrackerZack · #4 05-12-2004, 09:19 AM

Thanks sam h for taking the time to respond. I liked your thoughts in the hands you pointed out.

For those who care, he's how it went down...

#11 obviously i folded, and he took it down. I think I put too much money in early with a weak hand. If i was prepared to play it strong, I should've moved in on the check-raise or laid it down there. I had planned on betting huge to a non-club but the club came.

#19 he showed a weak ace with no pair and MHIG. I don't get called but i need to be this river. A ten will call, A good 9 may call. I have T9 beat also which will call also. Weak.

The 86s hand the SB also showed 86s and we chopped it up. Not really sure if I even deserved half this pot.

#68a glad I didn't try to buy it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

#68b (i'm obviously a numbering idiot) I think I like this play. I'd like to win the pot on the turn, but if I'm called, I have position and the Ac. It would suck if I was check-raised because I may have to call, but I need to bet my hand here. Both folded an I took it down.

#106 All-in showed AQs and SB showed ATs and they chopped it up. I like his bet there although I think he should make it smaller to entice a call. I wouldn't call, but still.

#110. I'm still back and forth on the fold. I think I should not have folded and the results might be tainting me. the raiser had 99 for a flopped higher set and turned quads. Me be broke on this hand if I play.

#112 gotta get rid of this FPS and bet this flop. All-in player had A8 and I took it down.

#113 I think I need to bet this turn also. Its a scary card but I'm late enough in the tourney that most of the any ace players are out. Anyway, I showed my jacks and he mucked, HH says he had an 8 but I don't remember the kicker.

#124 I didn't want to keep bluffing chips into him if he had a K so he could've moved me off this hand. I'm not really sure what I could've done about it either. I called his river bet and he showed A4o and MHIG, which was nice.

#129 I butchered this one and it cost me my entire stack. I didn't think enough levels ahead. I decided to make a big check-raise on the flop, maybe FPS, maybe good play, still not sure. Anyway, I checkraised to 8600 which was waaaaaaaaay too small. I didn't consider what I would do if he put me in, which he did. And looking over it all, I had to call. If I had thought about that before making the check-raise, I would've check-raised all in but alas I didn't. By only raising that amount I let him think he could push me off the hand still which ended up being my demise. I called his all in and inexplicably, he turned over A3h [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Holy crap, I have the best hand!!! But the funny thing about those weird situations where you have the best hand but aren't currently leading... brick, 3s on the river and my tourney was over. He can't call a check-raise all-in. Given his play, if I bet the pot on the flop, he might push anyway and I'm not sure if I still make the call. I probably do, but not sure. ugh.

Anyway, thanks to everyone for reading.

Zack

Jason Strasser · #5 05-12-2004, 02:48 PM

Just some quick thoughts.

Hand 11: I have a personal hatred for KJ, that hand always seems to get me into trouble. I certainly would not raise in EP like you did here, this is either a limp behind situation (with the blinds so low), or a fold preflop. I would tend to limp if there hasn't been much preflop raising at the table, and tend to fold if you have some lively players acting after you, you don't want to play this hand out of position. On the flop, you are making a terrible, terrible, terrible mistake. The check, check, bet is fine, but after the reraise and cold call, get out of the hand. Its way too early in the tourny to get caught up in this.

Hand 19: You are ahead here about 80% of the time, but I would do the same and check behind.

No number hand after 19: Bet the flop, this isnt a check raising situation IMO. I'd bet strong, take down the small pot.

Hand 68: Lovely.

Hand 68 the second: I would take the free card like you did. You dont want a check raise here. You are likely against a mid pocket pair, that may put you on over cards and push on your flop bet. I like the way you played it.

Hand 106: Standard.

Hand 110: This, in my opinion, is probably your weakest play so far. If you are heads up, this is an easy fold, but the fact that you are getting four way action with a pocket pair is ideal. There was no possibility of someone reraising behind you, I'd take the chance and call. Fold preflop if you are not going to call 600 for a chance to win 2600 (+implied odds).

Hand 112: This is even worse than the 55 hand! How can you not bet that flop? What cards do you have him on? Do you want him to see a free AKQ come on the turn? This is sloppy IMO. Pot bet on the flop, nothing less. Your preflop play is fine, I wouldn't push here. There are lots of flops where jacks can really evidently be far behind.

Hand 113: Why are you checking jacks here preflop? I understand why you don't want to play them out of position, but you are going to be ahead of your opponents a great majority of the time in this situation. Unless you think they would all call, I would strongly consider raising the pot preflop. On the flop, you NEED to bet. You like to checkraise too much. There is a lot of money in the pot already, take it down! What if you didnt have the chance to checkraise here? Again, if you decide to check preflop, you must lead in here.

Hand 124: This hand is tough, and I understand your issue. I think I'd play it the same way.

Hand 129: Interesting. Two options: Raise, or call. Calling is weak, but I have to say I would love to see the turn before committing a huge amount of chips here. If another jack comes, a non-club ace comes, I may toss my hand on the turn. If my opponent is capable of folding here with a jack, I'd make it about 8k--of course, then you are completely pot committing yourself where on the flop you are probably in a coinflip situation.

Hope that helped.

steeser · #6 05-12-2004, 02:54 PM

Hand #11: KJs isn't a good enough hand to play UTG in the tourney. It looks pretty, but I'd muck it at this early stage of the tourney, where taking down the blinds isn't very beneficial.

Hand #19: I'd bet the river, I'm not expecting a flush here, as the flop only had one club. I'm expecting A8, or a pocket pair of 3's to 9's.

Hand #68: I'd bet the flop for sure here, the question is what to do if you are raised. What do you do if the turn is a Q, and you are checked to, check again?

Hand #110: Folding probably wasn't overly bad here, but if you intended to fold to a raise you probably shouldn't have limped at all. By closing the action, I might have taken a stab at seeing this flop.

Hand #113: I raise this pre-flop, gotta charge those limpers. I like the check raise on the flop though.

CrackerZack · #7 05-12-2004, 04:12 PM

Thanks for your reply Jason. As you can see, I'm a MTT novice but trying to learn. I play a lot of limit ring games but in big bet and tourneys I'm out of my element.

I completely agree with you about KJs. Someone posted a joke in the mid-stakes forum in response to someone with AQs that said "I hate when I flop top 2 when I trying to flop the nut straight". While in jest, it kind of applied to me. I was hoping to flop a huge hand and hopefully get a lot of bets from someone. When I flopped a mediocre hand, I struggled and got stuck with it. chips got low after that so time to REBUY!

Hand 110 was a debacle. My stack was small and I limped praying to see a cheap flop, when it didn't happen, i didn't want to tangle with the big stacks out of position, which is stupid, because I have a small pair, not T9s and need to draw cheap. no set no bet, that simple. This was weak and mainly since I was real lucky to have folded, I wanted to make sure I wasn't being results oriented.

112 I wasn't sure how to handle the situation with the all-in guy. Plus him 3-betting my EP raise had me on the defensive. Its very unlikely I'm folding here, even if he pushes so this was very weak flop play.

113, I hate TT and JJ in the blinds. I feel like if I raise it should be enough to make sure everyone folds or it becomes heads up. That's probably the right play. Given the PF check, do you still disagree with the check-raise? someone is gonna bet and my overpair is real disguised.

I'm not sure I like my check unless i'm gonna check-raise all-in. Since I didn't, I don't like it. I could be being results oriented though as I busted on this hand even though I was a favorite on the flop although it was basically a coinflip. That out-of-position thing is tough.

Thanks for the help.
Zack

CrackerZack · #8 05-12-2004, 04:19 PM

#68 I don't feel a bet folds any J, and most likely not a flush draw unless I push, then a J will call but a flush draw won't which is opposite of what I want. I felt weak checking but I thought that was my limit brain talking. There are no big streets in NL so I thought waiting to see the turn seemed prudent. I think I'd be hard-pressed to call a big check-raise here.

#19 I agree, lots of stuff can pay me off and I'm still in the rebuy period so if i walk into a strangely played set, so be it.

#113, how much do you make it to go PF? Ideally if I raise I'd like to take it down right there or make it heads up.

On a side note, I gotta PM bisonbison about his converter. hand 112 and 113 happened back to back yet I'm in MP1 in the first and BB in the 2nd. Huh? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Thanks for the response, and I'll see you at the tables.
Zack