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Old 04-06-2005, 10:19 PM
ACBob ACBob is offline
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Default Re: TOP 5 MOST UNDERRATED WPT PLAYERS

"1)Phil Hellmuth

2)Doyle Brunson

3) T.J. cloutier

4)David Sklansky

If these were the 4 to choose that would be close to the order. Which is clearly wrong. And if you asked the general public they would know the first 3 names much better than Sklansky."

Smoothcall,

You just stated my case. You named Sklansky with Brunson, Hellmuth and Cloutier.

In most any way we measure success is by achievement. Not potential, not by almost...

I will give you credit that you probably know about what the other three have achieved at the poker table. Hellmuth probably gets a negative in cash games.

Believe me when I say I have great respect for David. The foundation of my game is based his writings and of course other factors. But his achievements on the felt cannot be as high as those you compared. Thus, he cannot be underrated which is your contention and the subject of this thread.

Bob
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Old 04-06-2005, 10:23 PM
srblan srblan is offline
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Default Re: TOP 5 MOST UNDERRATED WPT PLAYERS

Having good results in a few different tournaments is a little different than someone like Doyle having good results for 50 years. Watch the WSOP with Doyle playing against Scott Fischman and tell me again that you think he's overrated. He put on an absolute clinic.

I agree with your assertion that Gus is overrated but the plays that I saw Toto make on TV were pretty weak. He didn't show any outstanding reads, just a willingness to gamble with way the worst of it whether or not the odds justified the gamble.
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Old 04-06-2005, 11:47 PM
Chimera Chimera is offline
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Default Re: TOP 5 MOST UNDERRATED WPT PLAYERS

I would vote for Martin De Knijff, John Hennigan, and David Oppenheim.
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Old 04-07-2005, 07:20 PM
KDawgCometh KDawgCometh is offline
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Default Re: TOP 5 MOST UNDERRATED WPT PLAYERS

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I would vote for Martin De Knijff, John Hennigan, and David Oppenheim.

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can't agree with De Knijff as he did win the WPT chapmionship, but yeah I dig the others
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Old 04-08-2005, 09:00 PM
Arsene Lupin III Arsene Lupin III is offline
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Default Re: TOP 5 MOST UNDERRATED WPT PLAYERS

How many events does one have to play per year to qualify for this list? I don't think DS has entered very many
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Old 04-08-2005, 10:35 PM
Smoothcall Smoothcall is offline
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Default Re: TOP 5 MOST UNDERRATED WPT PLAYERS

As long as they have played a wpt event they qualify. The discussion is on there ability and how that matches up with the general publics view of who the better players are. Another words the general public might think Antonio is a better player than Sklansky when this may be totally incorrect.
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Old 04-09-2005, 04:19 AM
Seadood228 Seadood228 is offline
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Default Re: TOP 5 MOST UNDERRATED WPT PLAYERS

Not sure if they are underrated, but I was pretty impressed with some of these less than known players.

1. James Tippin in Tunica
2. Juha Hellpi in Aruba and the Battle of Champions
3. Chris Chris Karagulleyan at the Bike
4. Martin Deknijff at the Bellagio
5. Moneymaker at the Bay 101

Yeah some are well known, but most do not put them in the upper echelon of players, but they all seemed to play great in their respective WPT episodes.
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Old 04-09-2005, 04:22 AM
zaxx19 zaxx19 is offline
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David the Dragon Pham, and John Juanda are heavily underrated.



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Who the frig underattes Juanda, he is on everyones top 5 list.
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Old 04-10-2005, 10:45 PM
FakeKramer FakeKramer is offline
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Default Re: TOP 5 MOST UNDERRATED WPT PLAYERS

1. Minh Nguyen
2. Chris Tsipiraldis
3. David Pham
4. Chau Giang
5. Andy Bloch
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Old 04-10-2005, 11:18 PM
Vince Lepore Vince Lepore is offline
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Default Re: TOP 5 MOST UNDERRATED WPT PLAYERS

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1. Minh Nguyen
2. Chris Tsipiraldis
3. David Pham
4. Chau Giang
5. Andy Bloch

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I like this list.

Vince
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