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Old 05-10-2005, 10:33 PM
Luv2DriveTT Luv2DriveTT is offline
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Note: I will likely have to revise the above comment when Ed's new book comes out. I anticipate a book that will easily supplant Jones, assuming Ed can dumb it down enough.

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Time to revise our statement, its already out.

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Old 05-11-2005, 10:20 AM
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He dumbed it down perfectly. It is an excellent book for beginners.
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Old 05-10-2005, 11:16 PM
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Read Lee Jones and learn how to fold. Then read Ed Miller and learn how to raise. Read nothing else until you log many many hours, because there is a limit to the benefit of reading if you are not playing. Once you've logged a few hundred hours, check out HEPFAP and TOP and other more advanced books available for sale here.
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Old 05-11-2005, 03:20 AM
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The books that have helped me the most are Small Stakes Hold 'em and theory of poker. If you are having trouble with EV, I very strongly reccomend that you read "Getting The Best of It" by Sklansky. It is great on gambling theory, and life theory. Keep playing, poker is about cards, but it is also about people. Good luck!
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Old 05-11-2005, 11:23 AM
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Don't listen to these schooly nerds.

Screw books, I never learned anything from a poker book besides Doyle Brunson likes to race greyhounds.

Never lose money in a poker game without learning something from the experince. Think about your session and what you did wrong and how you could play better next time. mmmmkay?
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Old 05-11-2005, 07:55 PM
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Default Re: Suggestions for becoming a better player

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Don't listen to these schooly nerds.

Screw books, I never learned anything from a poker book besides Doyle Brunson likes to race greyhounds.

Never lose money in a poker game without learning something from the experince. Think about your session and what you did wrong and how you could play better next time. mmmmkay?

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No no no. Without understanding why, you're going to spend a lot of time and money figuring out that 32s is not worth a cold call and the like. Take advantage of the experience of other people. The cost of a book or two is so much less than reinventing the wheel from scratch in the card room.

FWIW, my progression was WLLHE (Jones), SSH (Miller), TOP (Sklansky), HEFAP (Sklansky).
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Old 05-13-2005, 01:42 PM
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FWIW, my progression was WLLHE (Jones), SSH (Miller), TOP (Sklansky), HEFAP (Sklansky).

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Same here... I also liked Killer Poker by John Vorhaus. Really helps the mental aspect of the game.
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Old 05-11-2005, 08:17 PM
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Just read Ed Miller GSIH and SSHE and you should be fine. But Jones will provide some help along the way too.

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Old 05-13-2005, 08:05 AM
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Read SSHE first. Read it until you think you understand it. Then read HEPFAP once or twice. Then read SSHE a few more times. Then read HEPFAP a few times. Then you should be ready for TOP. Since this is B&M it wouldn't hurt to read Caro's Book of Tells after you read SSHE. Just because you've read a book and think you understand it there is nothing wrong with re-reading a book that you feel you are "beyond." Playing helps too.

LOL. I read TOP first and didn't understand anything. Then I read PPLTP and it seemed obvious (although I think his advice to not try to change too many things in your game at once was helpful, how do you know what changes are helping and which ones aren't if you make a lot of them?). I tried TOP again and still didn't understand anything. Next I read SSHE and read that a bunch of times (and I suddenly started having winning sessions regularly). Then I tried TOP again and I understood the words but didn't understand the concepts. Then I read HEPFAP and I learned a little (I thought it was quite similar to SSHE, almost too much so). Then I read SSHE again and I learned more than in any of my previous readings. Then I tried TOP again and found that I actually understood some of the concepts and their applications. Then I read HoH and it helped my tournament game dramatically (easily the best NL tournament book--I've also read SS, and a couple McEvoy and Cloutier books). I'm reading HEPFAP again and now I understand the subtler differences between it and SSHE. I'm excited to see what happens when I try TOP again. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] GL and read. The authors are trying to help prevent you from making mistakes that they've had to learn from the hard way.

For fun: The Bigest Game in Town by A. Alvarez and Positively Fifth Street by James McManus are both excellent.
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