2/4 KK facing flop all-in.

[crosse91]

new to 400nl, my 1st night 3 tabling it. Not enough hands on villain to make any sort of read and he hadn't done anything at the table yet. How do you play this hand?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

Button ($364)
SB ($907)
BB ($400)
UTG ($402.30)
Hero ($413.20)
MP1 ($214)
MP2 ($682.40)
MP3 ($388.20)
CO ($431.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $15</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls $15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $73</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $60, MP3 folds.

Flop: ($169) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $375</font>, Hero ????

[Jman28]

This is the easiest call ever.

Make your decision before the flop. If you don't think he needs aces do do this, then push perflop (dont let a scary ace come and you fold to a QQ cont bet). However, reraising huge out of position is almost always aces, at least in my experiance at 2/4 party. It's always tough to fold kings preflop, but a blind reraise is a spot I can usually get away from.
Actually, I'm curious to see what others say, as I'm often in this spot myself and feel like a fold is too weak. How do other people play kings when someone else (who you dont have much of a read on) is representing aces, and your sitting there with 100 BB?

[crosse91]

i hate the call preflop. I really think i need to rreraise or fold there, and i don't like folding. Is this logic flawed? I could have also been the victim of a well-executed squeeze, but the flop overbet just confuses the hell out of me. I feel completely lost, someone please help here.

[Allinlife]

no, reraising preflop is insane unless you've seen him donk off before. you fold QQ/JJ and get instah called by AA.

I can't really see a lay preflop unless you had his stats and it showed something like 15vpip/3pfr.

flop push is very scary as many people play AA that way, but I'd probably make a crying call give decent pot odds and expect to break even or something.

[Prevaricator]

I like preflop. I think a reraise preflop would be bad in this game, because people's reraising standards are narrow. On the flop just get the money in, if he had AA, so be it.

[crosse91]

through 35-40 hands i had him at 12/7 and folded to every postflop raise. This isn't alot of hands, but it is what it is. Noted that reraise is bad, that came about from second guessing later.

So you guys never fold KK for fear of AA with these stacks unless the villain gives you good reason? Seems like this may be a big flaw in my game, I guess it's time I got pockertracker. I've been assuming that most 2/4s at party don't like to rr without the goods, I guess I was off.

[Prevaricator]

The "goods" is relative to the player. How can he put hero on KK, he could push QQ on that flop easily.

[AceHiStation]

crosse91... whats your party name... and what's his? I play those rooms quite a bit and wouldn't mind checking my pokertracker for a little more information.