Did someone just crack my 63s?

gh9801 · #1 08-01-2005, 08:05 PM

PP 3/6 limit ring. No reads

Folded to Hero in CO, who opens with 6d3d
Button folds, SB calls, BB threebets, Hero calls, SB calls

Flop [ 6c, 3h, Jc ]
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB calls two cold, BB calls

Turn [ 7h ]
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB checkraises, Hero threebets, SB folds, BB calls

River [ 2c ]
BB bets.
Hero?

shant · #2 08-01-2005, 08:08 PM

I am a big fan of stealing blinds, but damn man, chill on 63s.

Paxosmotic · #3 08-01-2005, 08:09 PM

Should be a pretty simple call, yes?

gh9801 · #4 08-01-2005, 08:13 PM

Am I raising or calling in this spot? Villain didn't cap turn. At the same time, would villain c/r with overs and a flush draw on the turn?

ropey · #5 08-01-2005, 08:15 PM

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I am a big fan of stealing blinds, but damn man, chill on 63s.

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If you are attempting to "steal" the blinds, explain to me why your hand is important.

-ropey

Paxosmotic · #6 08-01-2005, 08:16 PM

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Am I raising or calling in this spot? Villain didn't cap turn. At the same time, would villain c/r with overs and a flush draw on the turn?

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I think calling would be prudent. Two pair is a strong but vulnerable holding. You're probably not going to win this pot even 50% of the time, you're only calling because you lose more by folding than by calling.

shant · #7 08-01-2005, 08:21 PM

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I am a big fan of stealing blinds, but damn man, chill on 63s.

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If you are attempting to "steal" the blinds, explain to me why your hand is important.

-ropey

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Because there needs to be a limit as to what hand is going to be proftable to play with? If your opponents were folding every single time you raised, then go ahead and raise every hand you get. Sometimes they're going to call out of the blinds, and then you need a hand that is playable against that range of hands. 63s is a little low on the spectrum for my taste.

Are you saying you raise any two here?

gh9801 · #8 08-01-2005, 08:22 PM

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Am I raising or calling in this spot? Villain didn't cap turn. At the same time, would villain c/r with overs and a flush draw on the turn?

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I think calling would be prudent. Two pair is a strong but vulnerable holding. You're probably not going to win this pot even 50% of the time, you're only calling because you lose more by folding than by calling.

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My thinking is, villain would cap any turn with a hand that beats mine and the only hand I have to worry about on the river is an aggressively played overs+flushdraw. However, more often than not a hand like AcKc would not check raise this turn. Without a turn cap, the most likely hand seems to be AA->QQ or AJ, not a set.

I'm not sure calling is so obvious, maybe I need to be raising in this spot

gh9801 · #9 08-01-2005, 08:25 PM

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Are you saying you raise any two here?

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From the limited hands I played, the blinds seemed reasonably tight. Against tight blinds I would raise in CO/button with any two once every few orbits. Against loose blinds I'd never raise 63s in this spot

Harv72b · #10 08-01-2005, 08:27 PM

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I am a big fan of stealing blinds, but damn man, chill on 63s.

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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises...

Yes, there was a read involved. Yes, my table image was pretty spotless. And no, I wouldn't recommend trying this at home. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]