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Old 12-13-2005, 12:03 PM
Evan Evan is offline
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Default Re: 10/20 AK preflop

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I want to know more about the players than just mined hands.

If that's all I got, I suppose it's a fold, but it's sure not one I'm good enough to make.

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I think you have to be a much, much better player to call than fold.

What do you want to know that stats don't tell you? How often someone checks the flop after they coldcap or something?
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Old 12-13-2005, 12:55 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 AK preflop

Umm.. what they will cold cap with?

I got cold capped with 99 yesterday (and folded A8o preflop- go me!). If I know he'll do that, I might call.

My point regarding "goodness" was just that I tend to call in spots like this where I should fold. Nothing about postflop skill or anything.
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Old 12-13-2005, 02:16 PM
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Umm.. what they will cold cap with?

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We will rarely have enough data, either from mining or from observation-based reads, to know the answer to this question and be able to make decisions based on it.
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Old 12-13-2005, 01:15 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 AK preflop

easy fold.

what do you do with QQ and JJ is more interesting imo.
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Old 12-13-2005, 02:42 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 AK preflop

Fold JJ and call QQ
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Old 12-16-2005, 07:11 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 AK preflop

i dont really agree with that.. i'd almost be inclined to call with almost any pair.. nevermind high pairs.. at least w/ small pairs you're drawing to live outs. i call w/ JJ and QQ hoping to spike a set.. if you dont.. BYE BYE! :-)
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Old 12-13-2005, 02:44 PM
calmasahinducow calmasahinducow is offline
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Default Re: 10/20 AK preflop

Although now that I think about it, there's really no effective difference between JJ and QQ in this spot
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Old 12-13-2005, 02:53 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 AK preflop

I was at the table and thought the fold was right. We found out over the next 50 or so hands that the capper was a huge moron who decided to give away all his money but at the time it seemed like the right move.
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Old 12-13-2005, 03:51 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 AK preflop

How can anything other than folding be considered [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]? You'd need some pretty strong reads to play this, certainly more than we have from those stats.
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Old 12-13-2005, 03:57 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 AK preflop

AK is a drawing hand.

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