fold top 2 on the flop here?

[Jon34]

party 100 NL, been about 2 orbits, preflop has been pretty passive.
hero has ~ 100 in MP, villain1 in LP has just under 80, villian 2 about 80 also.
hero gets KTs and limps in MP (this was mistake 1, despite the table being passive PF, shoulda mucked. that said, lets proceed with the hand.)
villain1 and 2 limp, SB limps, BB checks.
flop is KT9 rainbow. I bet pot for 11. villain 1 calls. Villain 2 pushes. Your move?

[amoeba]

I would call the push. could easily have KQ or K9.

of course, if you find that you can outplay him anyways on later hands and don't want to risk your stack, then fold.

[JaBlue]

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of course, if you find that you can outplay him anyways on later hands and don't want to risk your stack, then fold.

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I can't imagine somebody following this advice in this spot. How can you be good enough to throw away a hand in which you are likely a 4-1 (or even better) favorite? Unless you put him on the set, this is an easy call and/or repush.

[CheckFold]

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Unless you put him on the set, this is an easy call and/or repush.

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I think he might be putting him on QJ here.

[amoeba]

yes, qj is very real possibility.

[Jon34]

My thoughts:

reasonable hands I beat: KQ (7 outs on me), KJ (7 outs), AK (3 outs), K9 (3 outs), 9T (4 outs), 78 (8 outs), J8 (8 outs).
unlikely hands that I beat: AA (2 outs), QQ (6 outs), JJ (6outs), Kx (runners).

the math is tricky if add in my back door flush draw, but that aside:
hands that beat me: 99 (I have 4 outs), TT (I have 2 outs), KK (no outs), QJ (4 outs). (and KT for the split).

That said, his allin suggests to me that I'm either beat, or its AK, K9, 9T, with a chance of KQ, KJ, or J8/78.

[Sweaburg]

I probably lay that down.
QJ is my immediate worry and I think 99 or TT are definite possibilities if the table is as passive as you say. I don't see anybody pushing with just top pair here. K9 is about the only thing I can see you being ahead of here.

[Jon34]

it was passive preflop, that was all I had noticed at that point, it had only been a couple orbits.

[Piz0wn0reD!!!!!!]

Very tough. Try fliping a coin [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Jon34]

I called. 1st caller pushes for about 2 bucks more, I of course call that too. Original alliner shows KT, caller/2nd alliner shows QJ and takes it down.