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Old 07-29-2005, 03:31 AM
fire_fly fire_fly is offline
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Default overpair, can i throw it away to the turn raise?

Total noob to nl.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

Villain is an 11vpip rock over 50 hands. I didn't consider this enough when making my decisions i believe.

Button ($36.75)
SB ($24.75)
BB ($21.05)
UTG ($100.06)
UTG+1 ($49.45)
MP1 ($25.77)
Hero ($25)
MP3 ($28.15)
CO ($5.96)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Ok, cool, aces.

SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $0.8</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.55, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, MP3 calls $2.20, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($7.15) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, MP3 calls $6.

How worried should I be that this rock just called my potsized bet? I figured him for AK, wrong of me?

Turn: ($19.15) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, MP3 calls $19.15 (All-In),

Considering the rockiness of him, should I be able to lay this down for 10 dollars more in a 50 dollar pot?

Hero calls $6 (All-In).

River: ($54.30) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $54.30

All (constructive) comments appriciated. Thanks.
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Old 07-29-2005, 03:38 AM
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Default Re: overpair, can i throw it away to the turn raise?

Not much you can do here. You played the hand the way you needed to, the hand ended up being a perfect trap situation for the villain.
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Old 07-29-2005, 03:41 AM
alphatmw alphatmw is offline
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Default Re: overpair, can i throw it away to the turn raise?

im only worried about KQ.. in this case, you still have 8 outs. no way i'm laying it down.
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Old 07-29-2005, 03:45 AM
gulebjorn gulebjorn is offline
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Default Re: overpair, can i throw it away to the turn raise?

Oh god, not the limp-reraise...

Is that constructive? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Seriously, just raise it right away to $1.5 or so. Unless you are absolutely positive there will be a raise behind and that you can trap the raiser.

Flop is good, turn is good.

No, you cannot lay this down. If he's a rock, QQ would have laid down on the flop. So you're scared of KQ or KK. KK is a problem, but against KQ you still have 8 outs. A set of 2's or 4's is of course also possible.

Anyway, this is an instacall for me.

Edit: a rock doesn't raise 44 or 22.
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Old 07-29-2005, 05:13 AM
fimbulwinter fimbulwinter is offline
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Default Re: overpair, can i throw it away to the turn raise?

it sounds like your LRR was a bad idea given your table. most often just make a solid raise and go from there.

that said, the pot is too big and he's too likely to have AK to fold the turn. given your preflop line, you can't really get away or use pot control with your AA. if you look at the math you need to be ahead like 1/6th of the time to call the turn, so call.

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Old 07-29-2005, 05:24 AM
ChipWrecked ChipWrecked is offline
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Default Re: overpair, can i throw it away to the turn raise?

I agree with the pre-flop raise idea.

However, I raise to .75, hoping for a reraise so I can push.
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Old 07-29-2005, 05:25 AM
gulebjorn gulebjorn is offline
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Default Re: overpair, can i throw it away to the turn raise?

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Oh god, not the limp-reraise...

Is that constructive? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Seriously, just raise it right away to $1.5 or so.

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I agree with the pre-flop raise idea.

However, I raise to .75, hoping for a reraise so I can push.

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At 25$ NL, you'll just see a bloated family pot in my experience.
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