Simple

[deetle]

I agree he is not calling a bet. I missed the to loose read and assumed he was just weak. The attempted check raise is the only way to get any more $ in here

[Soh]

If you're going to check-raise on the river, why don't you do that on the turn?

[Piiop]

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If you're going to check-raise on the river, why don't you do that on the turn?

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Cuz on the turn, he doesn't know if he has the best hand or not. When the dude checks the turn and no draws come in, he knows he does.

[Soh]

I miss read the hand. I thought the other guy bet the turn.

[molawn2mo]

Couple of different perspectives...

HJ's play is very often a free card play with a flush draw or 2nd pair.

Sure he could have hit a set of 4s. Sure he could have K better kicker. More likely, though, is a free card type hand. As such, I lead the turn (it takes a special type of player to pop you on the turn again).

As played, though, after villain checks behind on the turn (confirming the fc play), the choice to lead the river or c/c or c/r is image dependent (c/c looks right unless villain perceives you as a lagass/bluffer; this because you are never getting a better K to fold).

If your image is such that you've been firing at various pots when weakness is shown then you, again, can fire away. More likely, though, villain will read your turn and river checks as weak and may think his T9s is best or he might fire 1 bet as a desperation bluff.

[hicherbie]

an abc with TdXd bets here when checked to I think. i like it.

[The Goober]

I like it. Were you going to fold to a turn bet? With a stronger hand, I like pulling a stop 'n go here. WIth such a weak hand, though, I like checking - in fact, the chance that villain takes a free card is part of why I would call the flop raise in the first place.

On the river, I like checking to induce a bluff or a value-bet from a T. I think the raise is thin, but I like it - mostly because of the small but real chance that we can get villain to stupidly fold a weak king and save us half the pot.

[W. Deranged]

Dave,

My preferred line is a turn stop'n'go. Barring that, a river check-raise is really hot.

I hope you guys enjoyed AC. Was this game the 20, 40, or 80?

[Carmine]

The only reason I can see to C/R the river rather than C/Call is to represent trips and get a better K to fold. However most are in agreement that a K would not check this turn. I do agree that it would be silly for K to check the turn even if he has kicker concerns when he could take a free showdown at the river if Hero calls a turn bet.

Thing is we really can't be sure villian does not check a weak K on the turn and the raise on the river even though usually meaningless may help eliminate a chop situation. I doubt it gets a better K to fold, but it is much, much, much, less likely that KJ would ever check through the turn so I think it would be a very rare situation when we cost ourselves a bet from KJ.

Check-raise river looks good IMO.

[thejameser]

nice play