T8s in front of a rock

[brettbrettr]

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He's not improving to anything by the turn - maybe two pair or trips, but the odds are very much not in his favor.

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And the pot odds? You do realize that the odds of improving are never enough to consider, right?

As for your overcard comments, your opponent does not hold every overcard in the deck so 50% (how'd you come up with this # by the way?) is not the % that you're beat.


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It's going to get messy. Just get out now.

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Hard decisions are not a reason to fold.

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Depends on opponent.

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So why do you put so much stock in his flop raise?

[molawn2mo]

I have not the strength to argue with you. You win!

I did not see you quote the following (and if I owe King Yao a royalty I'll pay it),

"... if you opponent has little, your check may win an extra bet if he bluffs the river; whereas if you bet ____
he will fold." or

"If your opponent is way ahead of you, then your check has given you a chance to catch up..." or

"You are likely to get checkraised..." or

"Checking should be part of your arsenal, used as a stealth weapon against solid players who can steal if they see weakness."

edit to reflect the above quotes are more relevant to my prior 2 threads with some applicability to this one.