A set of nines -- a good time to just call?

Nick C · #1 05-19-2005, 08:03 AM

After enduring a few orbits with players who were tighter than my own sLA-A self, some turnover had taken place, and I was starting to like the table.

UTG, however, is a rockish TAG.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $3.
UTG raises, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, CO (poster) calls, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (11 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls . . .

All right. Let's stop here. Should I just raise?

I know this is a stupid "should I slowplay?" question, but during the session I felt like I was getting great cards but wasn't maximizing.

brettbrettr · #2 05-19-2005, 08:07 AM

I think on that board it's fine. UTG will almost certainly bet any turn and guy stuck in between is screwed.

daveymck · #3 05-19-2005, 08:10 AM

I dont think I cold call here, against that sort of opponant certainly not.

I think this is an ideal opportunity for a slowplay.

krishanleong · #4 05-19-2005, 08:38 AM

I raise here.

Krishan

Lmn55d · #5 05-19-2005, 08:40 AM

if UTG is indeed a rockish TAG, there is a pretty decent chance he has an overpair and will 3bet. If his UTG raising range is AQ, AK, TT-AA, then there are 30 combos of overpairs and 32 combos of AQ/AK. If he 3bets there is a good chance the middle dude will call still, and you can call the 3bet and raise the turn. Also, if he is a rock there is a good chance he checks Ak/AQ on the turn after getting 2 flop callers (3 if sb calls which is fairly likely). I think you should raise this flop.

chief444 · #6 05-19-2005, 08:47 AM

I'd likely just raise here.

What do you think the chances are that UTG bets into you again on the turn anyway or 3-bets the flop and leads the turn?

party36master · #7 05-19-2005, 08:57 AM

I don't like the coldcall preflop.

I would wait until the turn to raise. A rockish TAG may slow down when you coldcall preflop, and suddenly like that flop.

phy1234 · #8 05-19-2005, 09:05 AM

I don't like the cold call pre-flop v a UTG rock. I think you should 2 bet this flop, if rock has AA-QQ he proly 3 bets. Also, much more likely that player in CO will call 2 cold on the flop rather than the turn. As a rule of thumb I don't slow play at 3-6, IMO.

Phy1234

Hojglad · #9 05-19-2005, 01:20 PM

I'm raising the flop and hoping that UTG has AA, KK, or QQ and three bets me. If he does, and UTG+2 sticks around, I think I'm going to cap the flop. If UTG+2 folds to UTG's flop 3-bet, I'll smooth call and pop UTG on the turn.

adamstewart · #10 05-19-2005, 01:27 PM

Point to consider:

there is no guarantee that UTG will continue to bet the turn, and there's no guarantee that UTG+2 will call if he does.

Therefore, raising now and trapping UTG and UTG+2 will earn you at least one more big bet - the equivalant to successfully waiting till the turn to raise UTG.

Moreover, by raising the flop you may get lucky and have UTG 3-bet you.

Jack up this pot. (Raising is the new slowplay). [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Adam