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MINETZ · #11 08-10-2005, 09:48 PM

I think your ahead here becuase I dont think the villian would open raise with those low pockeet pairs for a set, I also dont see the villian smooth calling with aces after someone else called. I'd call thinking I was ahead.
Noah

Jazza · #12 08-10-2005, 09:51 PM

UTG+2 cold-called preflop

Jazza · #13 08-10-2005, 09:52 PM

i don't like raising preflop, i want his QQ/JJ to stay in

and it's a disaster if he pushes preflop with QQ/JJ and i fold getting ~ 3-1 on my money

MINETZ · #14 08-10-2005, 10:00 PM

Didnt see it was the cold caller who raised. im really torn in this hand now, some palyers will call thatm uch with a low pp trying to hit a set, or he could have tt-qq. Id rather get my money in than have no idea were i am on a q high, jack high, or ace high flop.
Noah

Macquarie · #15 08-10-2005, 10:02 PM

5/10 rule is that you should call a raise with speculative hands if the price is less that 5% of your opponents stack (or your stack if you do not cover). You should fold if price is greater than 10%.

In this case, the price is almost exactly 10% of what we stand to win if we stack the opponent. This is a special case though - we are not trying to spike a set against a raiser who might have a mediocre hand and so might not pay us off when we hit; we can be unusually confident here that we will get paid off.

In fact, we need only 7:1 for a set, and if we stack villain we are getting 10:1, so we actually only need to stack villain two times of each three we hit a set to make the call +EV. Sounds likely.

Macquarie · #16 08-10-2005, 10:04 PM

I think you played this one just right.

Jazza · #17 08-10-2005, 10:04 PM

this is what i was thinking, but i thought i had the rule wrong or something

swedeD · #18 08-10-2005, 10:21 PM

Is it really 7:1 spiking a set on the flop? To tired to calculate it myself, but aren't 7:1 the odds for spiking a set after seeing both the flop, turn and river?

Jazza · #19 08-10-2005, 10:27 PM

i was under the impression it was indeed about 7:1, maybe a touch more (7.2:1 or something)

a set by the river is ~4:1 i believe

Jazza · #20 08-10-2005, 10:28 PM

same guy who raised my flop $30 bet in other hand is villian again:

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($235.95)
UTG+1 ($108.10)
UTG+2 ($119.80)
Hero ($200)
MP2 ($221.60)
MP3 ($144)
CO ($241.90)
Button ($57.65)
SB ($459.10)
BB ($119.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to $7, MP2 raises to $24, 5 folds, Hero calls $17.

Flop: ($51) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $51, Hero calls $51.

Turn: ($153) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $146.6 (All-In), Hero calls $125 (All-In).

River: ($424.60) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $424.60