Laydown too big?

Fudgenut · #1 08-31-2004, 10:22 PM

Good laydown? Poor laydown?

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, MP folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB raises, Hero folds, Button calls.

River: (11 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Results in white below: 
Button shows Kh Qh (three of a kind, queens).
SB shows 6c 7c (two pair, queens and sevens).
Outcome: Button wins 11 BB.

Schneids · #2 08-31-2004, 10:37 PM

I think it's more worthwhile to look at your flop and turn play that lead up to this predicament.

Of course you already know my opinions on this hand [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Fudgenut · #3 08-31-2004, 10:40 PM

Yes I do. I should have specified no Schneids comments.

stripsqueez · #4 08-31-2004, 10:49 PM

i reckon you must get dealt KK a lot to play it this way

its the mother of all flop 3 bets

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

imitation · #5 08-31-2004, 11:04 PM

No offence I think its horrid play.

3bet the flop, if for whatever reason you think you need some kind of deception play atleast check-3bet the turn when it bricks.

Jason Strasser · #6 09-01-2004, 01:22 AM

I stink at limt, yet i know 3-betting the flop is a must.

This has the feeling of a results oriented 'look at my great fold' post.

James282 · #7 09-01-2004, 01:41 AM

3 bets.
-James

tripdad · #8 09-01-2004, 01:43 AM

3-bet the flop.

this is a very bad lay-down.

cheers!

Nikla · #9 09-01-2004, 05:51 AM

Hi Fudge,

The flop play is very bad, mainly because there's a 2-flush out there. If the flop had come something like Q72 r-bow. Going for the turn check-raise seems better. Worst case scenario with your line, turn gets checked around, and SB bets on a spade river, whats your play here?

I generally think slowplaying is extremely overrated. You want to play your hands fast and built a pot early. You need to 3-bet this flop everytime and come firing out again on turn. If you had 3-bet flop and SB had checkraised both of you on turn, I would be inclined to call because of the potsize. I think SB will overplay his AQ/KQ/Q5 or OE-straight+flushdraw often enough to show a profit. And even if you are up against 2 pair, which I believe is the most common scenario here, you have outs to fall back on.

The way you played your hand, I would also fold turn.

PS: Button not betting river is by far the worst play in the hand.

Best regards,
-Nikla

gonores · #10 09-01-2004, 09:01 AM

No wonder I could make $5.3k in the first two days of the challenge. Please keep visiting PartyPoker if you're gonna play your kings like that.

3bet the flop

dumbass [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Doug