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Old 11-26-2005, 08:21 PM
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Default QQ from BB. Line check.

No reads at all. Was new at the table. Should I bet the river or is a check/call good enough here? If I get raised I cant see myself winning the hand so with a check/call I only lose 1 bet and its a pretty huge pot.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG+1 posts a blind of $0,50.
UTG calls, UTG+1 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (19 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP2 folds, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (16.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, Button calls, SB calls.

River: (20.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 20.50 BB
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Old 11-26-2005, 08:35 PM
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Default Re: QQ from BB. Line check.

I really want to say "bet the river," but with 3 other players, I don't think I can. nh.
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Old 11-26-2005, 08:36 PM
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Default Re: QQ from BB. Line check.

brutal river...I think you did fine...I like that you slowed down there...nh
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Old 11-26-2005, 09:13 PM
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Default Re: QQ from BB. Line check.

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I really want to say "bet the river," but with 3 other players, I don't think I can. nh.

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Are you calling if it's one back to you? If so, doesn't that warrant a bet/fold? (I'm not advocating for bet/fold, just asking...I hate bet/fold.)
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Old 11-26-2005, 09:34 PM
Arnfinn Madsen Arnfinn Madsen is offline
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Default Re: QQ from BB. Line check.

Looked through all streets and think you played all perfectly up until the river. This river is a tough one, but since all of the 3 players are unlikely to have a king given the flop action and they all seem interested to go to showdown (except maybe one player with a missed flush draw), I would bet this river. You can't fold though to a raise (the pot is so huge that the chance some dude tries to bluffraise, warrants a call), so it is a bet/call IMO.
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Old 11-26-2005, 11:13 PM
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Default Re: QQ from BB. Line check.

I don't like bet/folding on a 4 broadway board in a pot this big b/c someone is going to be stupid and raise two pair often enough that I think we have to call. That being said, I also don't like bet/calling b/c I don't want two bets going in either. So I think you played it fine. I would call one bet but fold if two back to me here.
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Old 11-27-2005, 10:28 PM
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The results

UTG has 7h 6h (high card, ace).
Button has 2d Ah (one pair, aces).
SB has Ac 6c (one pair, aces).
Hero has Qs Qd (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 20.50 BB. </font>
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Old 11-27-2005, 10:44 PM
crownjules crownjules is offline
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Default Re: QQ from BB. Line check.

I'm value betting that river all day long, and tomorrow.

It would be a shame to see it get checked through when no Kings turns up. You'll be winning this pot more often than not, so I think it would be more profitable in the long run to bet here than not.

EDIT: And to answer the question pre-emptively, yes I am calling one back to me (but not 2). JT just made two pair on that river, plus numerous other "favorite" hands.
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:35 AM
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Default Re: QQ from BB. Line check.

I bet/call the river. There isn't any particular resaon to suspect that anyone has a K and we (obviously) beat the myriad 2-pair possibilities.
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Old 11-28-2005, 12:22 PM
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Default Re: QQ from BB. Line check.

My first instinct here is to bet out on the river, but I've also been playing too aggressively lately. I think a check in this situation is ok because AK is really the only hand you have to fear and the AK fits how the Button played exactly. I call any bets into me on the river w/ this hand and this size pot.
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