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55: Need a post-flop line against this Ultra-LAG
Villain is a super-duper-ultra LAG, is not good at poker, and is absolutely running over the table to this point, though only the tighter players are left.
So then, what's your line on the flop and turn? Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Hero (t1740) UTG (t705) MP (t1534) CO (t4066) Button (t895) SB (t1060) Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls t100, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (t300) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t225</font>, SB folds, Hero calls t225. Turn: (t750) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t225</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero... |
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Re: 55: Need a post-flop line against this Ultra-LAG
i like shoving the flop.
get this monkey to fold this hand, adding chips to your stack. focus on busting this a-wipe out in the next 2 orbits. funny, i was playing last night and caught QQ, KK, AA, AA all in consecutive hands. After the second preflop raise with KK, I got 2 people moving in on me when I was holding AA. It was a 50, and it was over when blinds were at $200. |
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Re: 55: Need a post-flop line against this Ultra-LAG
Your stack is healthy. I'm not sure why you want to tangle with the only guy that can knock you out when you're sitting with...well, not much.
but if you feel the need to take him on because you're confident your TP is good, I'd rather just push the flop. That's 550 chips right there, you could definitely use those. |
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Re: 55: Need a post-flop line against this Ultra-LAG
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Your stack is healthy. I'm not sure why you want to tangle with the only guy that can knock you out when you're sitting with...well, not much. but if you feel the need to take him on because you're confident your TP is good, I'd rather just push the flop. That's 550 chips right there, you could definitely use those. [/ QUOTE ] He is absolutely and literally on any 2 cards, and I in no way feel a need to tangle with him. I do however feel my TP is very likely good. Thus, the post. |
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Re: 55: Need a post-flop line against this Ultra-LAG
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[ QUOTE ] Your stack is healthy. I'm not sure why you want to tangle with the only guy that can knock you out when you're sitting with...well, not much. but if you feel the need to take him on because you're confident your TP is good, I'd rather just push the flop. That's 550 chips right there, you could definitely use those. [/ QUOTE ] He is absolutely and literally on any 2 cards, and I in no way feel a need to tangle with him. I do however feel my TP is very likely good. Thus, the post. [/ QUOTE ] Alright, fine. But look at the board. 2 diamonds. 3 to a straight. There is a very good chance he is drawing very live on you. I'd rather just get my chips in the middle while I still hold top pair, rather than wait and call down bets and then turn over our cards at the end and find out he has hit on me. This isn't the hand or the board to be letting him bet for you. |
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Re: 55: Need a post-flop line against this Ultra-LAG
I'd fold the flop because your reverse implied odds are all shot to pieces.. if he bet less I would call to see the turn but 275 is just too pricey for me.
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Re: 55: Need a post-flop line against this Ultra-LAG
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I'd fold the flop because your reverse implied odds are all shot to pieces.. if he bet less I would call to see the turn but 275 is just too pricey for me. [/ QUOTE ] In actuality (is that even a word?) I would fold the flop too, but pushing is much better than calling here. It would have to be a MUCH smaller bet to get me to call, and even then if I'm playing I'm probably raising it. That is one UGLY board. |
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Re: 55: Need a post-flop line against this Ultra-LAG
Against a super lag, when I have a decent hand, I just call down. If he spikes a better hand on the river (which happens a lot more than I like), I just eat it.
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Re: 55: Need a post-flop line against this Ultra-LAG
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Against a super lag, when I have a decent hand, I just call down. If he spikes a better hand on the river (which happens a lot more than I like), I just eat it. [/ QUOTE ] This sounds like pretty bad advice. No offense. It's sometimes applicable, but should be far from general advice. |
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Re: 55: Need a post-flop line against this Ultra-LAG
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Against a super lag, when I have a decent hand, I just call down. If he spikes a better hand on the river (which happens a lot more than I like), I just eat it. [/ QUOTE ] i think that this is a reasonable strategy sometimes and a much less reasonable strategy other times. a concept i've talked on and off with unarmed about is the relative v absolute strenth of your hand. i don't know why i threw in that last sentence, but whatever. the point being of course that some top pairs are better than other top pairs, and that some boards are better for top pair than other boards. (ie, top pair 8s is less cool than top pair A, but at the same time, the strength of top pair Ks varies.) this is all semi obvious, i suppose, but it means that particularly with a hand like 8x on a 8xx board, with some kinds of draws and such out there, i'm much less likely to call down flop turn river. usually against a super lag i'm quite happy to be playing my top pairs of all types to the felt, and if they beat me they beat me. especially the lags who have no concept of changing speeds and such. if they are a lag in that they will bet and then call a raise on the flop with second pair, then all the better, those guys seem to fold all the time on the turn [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]. i'll semi frequently bet into a lag, if he's a raising type, with a hand like top pair, on any old board, so i can 3 bet all in, with a deepish stack. with a stack as deep as ops, it is somewhat awkward to checkraise all in on the flop, but not entirely ridiculous or anything like that. i think that i like check calling the least of the options on the flop, including check folding. i'm not a big fan of putting in chips that aren't an insignficant fraction of my stack, not having a clue where my opponent is, and then being OOP the rest of the hand with a million cards that could make a hand for a player who plays any two. the big problem of course is that a player who has any two, when he improves on a board like this, is often to always going to improve to a hand that beats your pair of 8s. alright, that got a little wordy, c |
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