Can I call a river bet with T-high?

[baronzeus]

some other things...

yes bet the turn...

yes fold preflop IMO, unless you have played with him a bit and know he respects you

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yes fold preflop IMO, unless you have played with him a bit and know he respects you

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Who are you? And what have you done with the real baronzeus?

[Spicymoose]

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fold preflop

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T7s is strong, how can we fold? If you don't want to raise, at least complete...

Did you think he had T7o?

[waffle]

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T7s is strong, how can we fold? If you don't want to raise, at least complete...

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it's really strong.



got to push every edge, no matter how small.

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[Spicymoose]

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T7s is strong, how can we fold? If you don't want to raise, at least complete...

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it's really strong.



got to push every edge, no matter how small.

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Thanks for PokerStoving it. I guess it is weaker than I thought. Isn't completing better than folding though? We are getting 3:1, or sometimes 8:3. We do have the disadvantage of being out of position, but isn't folding this preflop way too weak?

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isn't folding this preflop way too weak?

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Yes it is. Just by calling, we're getting 3-1 on a hand that has an equity edge straight up.

[baronzeus]

i dont like raising against decent/good players, who will correctly raise a good % of flops costing you a lot of money.

i dont like limping against decent/good players, who will correctly raise most of their hands against you.

T7s just isnt good enough for me [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] but that's only against good players. against players who fold too much this is fine.


edit: actually i dont know, this is probably close, but hands like this can get you in a lot of trouble against lags/good tags.

[waffle]

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isn't folding this preflop way too weak?

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Yes it is. Just by calling, we're getting 3-1 on a hand that has an equity edge straight up.

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but a good player has position on you. he will often raise a wide range of hands after you complete. you will often be forced to fold the best hand (t high) since you are oop. not all of your equity is realized.

I'm pretty sure position doesn't make up 17% of the equity.

EDIT: Make that 25% of the equity...just by calling, we're getting 3:1, not 2:1

[baronzeus]

it's really hard to quantify position, since it can often times cost you whole pots. (on the other hand, being OOP lets you fire a bet first and can win you whole bluff pots)