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Old 12-22-2005, 11:24 PM
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Default Re: Cold calling preflop

then what exactly was your point?
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:48 PM
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Default Re: Cold calling preflop

you want the most equity possible, there are hands that play better multi way and others that don't. So, no, you don't want to play every hand shorthanded, and you don't want to play every hand multiway.
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:31 AM
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but every hand has more equity the less callers. so why would you prefer anything multiway?

i think we had a communication breakdown here.
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:45 AM
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Default Re: Cold calling preflop

Yes, but that isn't the only factor. For example, say you have a hand that is a 60/40 dog HU. Say the BB entering would drop your equity to 35%. Your equity has dropped but now you have 35% 3-way which is far superior to 40% HU.

To come up with a more specific example, say you have 76s or 55 and suspect that an opponent who raises has an overpair. You now want more players, since your equity drops very little no matter how many people enter the pot. You only win with two pair or better, hands that will often hold up even against a large field.
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:49 AM
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Default Re: Cold calling preflop

i think the concept you're not getting all the way is that multiway hands proportionally retain more equity than HU type hands.

for instance, JQs has more equity vs a field of 8 limpers than A9o has, because it can make the type of hands that can beat large crowds, and because the pot is already big enough to draw on a good flop.

If you're just up against one or two opponents, you'd rather have A9o than JQs though, because you can win by just pairing up or even without improving at all.

As you add opponents, the prospects of this hand holding up becomre proportionally more remote, and this hand can only improve so much.
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Old 12-23-2005, 02:33 AM
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Default Re: Cold calling preflop

It's pretty basic stuff. Look over SSHE for a better explanation than I can give you.
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Old 12-23-2005, 02:40 AM
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Default Re: Cold calling preflop

domination, domination, domination

against a preflop raiser, expect to be getting the worst of it on any post flop bets. if you hit K or T and you get action you're [censored], more likely than not. you can't pay two bets hoping to flop an unlikely 2pr/trips/straight
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