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Isolate LAG w/ 77
Whatchoo think of this? Villain is 64/20/3 only after about 50 hands. Loves to donk and goes to showdown like always. Is this going too far?
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter Preflop: Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (9.33 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (7.66 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (9.66 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 11.66 BB |
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Re: Isolate LAG w/ 77
I just call down from the flop. I may be wrong, but the way you beat maniacs is by getting to showdown with hands that have showdown value (which 77 does have), and punishing them huge with your solid hands (which, on this board, 77 is not).
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Re: Isolate LAG w/ 77
Call down from the flop. You're a 3-2 dog against pokerstove's top 20% of hands.
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Re: Isolate LAG w/ 77
I only disagree with the flop raise.
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Re: Isolate LAG w/ 77
If I had been watching the hands he plays like this, I may be willing to fold the turn here. 64/20/3 still leaves a lot to the imagination.
However, call/call/call is a safer and more multi-table friendly line. |
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Re: Isolate LAG w/ 77
i think this is unanimous
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Re: Isolate LAG w/ 77
You beat nothing except high cards on that flop, So call it down or fold.
I dont like the flop raise. Preflop is good. |
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Re: Isolate LAG w/ 77
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You beat nothing except high cards on that flop, So call it down or fold. I dont like the flop raise. Preflop is good. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. Thanks for the responses. Results: LAG had 66 and MHIG. |
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Re: Isolate LAG w/ 77
This is a good example for a conceptual question I've been meaning to ask:
In these situations (middle pair with showdown value versus an opponent who's usually either crushing us or has 6 outs), there's competing desires to 1) get to showdown cheaply, and 2) also avoid giving cheap cards to an opponent with many possible outs. Generally, if I can be more sure I'm ahead I usually raise/check-raise the flop here. If I'm more sure I'm beat, I give up the cheap cards and call down. But at what point does our hand become strong enough to protect? How much equity do we need to raise here? Given that the pot size is pretty similar in all the situations, it seems like there's probably a pretty solid number we need before we should think about protecting our hand. |
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Re: Isolate LAG w/ 77
[ QUOTE ]
This is a good example for a conceptual question I've been meaning to ask: In these situations (middle pair with showdown value versus an opponent who's usually either crushing us or has 6 outs), there's competing desires to 1) get to showdown cheaply, and 2) also avoid giving cheap cards to an opponent with many possible outs. [/ QUOTE ] When you're going to showdown against a LAG, you don't care about giving up cheap cards and you don't care about hand protection. You're worried only about the showdown value of your hand. If he has 6 outs, you're not going to make it incorrect for him to call, and if you raise, he might just slow down with his overcards (which is bad for you -- you want him throwing money in the pot with overcards). I want the LAG to keep betting and believing that he's somehow in control of the situation. [ QUOTE ] Generally, if I can be more sure I'm ahead I usually raise/check-raise the flop here. If I'm more sure I'm beat, I give up the cheap cards and call down. But at what point does our hand become strong enough to protect? How much equity do we need to raise here? Given that the pot size is pretty similar in all the situations, it seems like there's probably a pretty solid number we need before we should think about protecting our hand. [/ QUOTE ] How hard you push your hand depends on how hard villain is willing to push. If he's going to blindly bet down any hand, I'll raise any pair. If he's going to bet down any pair, I'll raise mid pair with a good kicker and better. |
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