Hypothetical Question - Page 3

stigmata · #21 10-11-2005, 11:01 AM

This would be much more of a social problem than a mathematical one. You would have to spend a lot time disguising your hand (limping preflop, folding the best hand etc.), so that you didn't get your ass kicked at every home game, your funds confiscated from online sites, etc.

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From a purely mathematical sense, just take your figure from PT and multiply by 40 or whatever. If you table hopped enough, people wouldn't catch on, so you could achieve something close to this figure. Also, why are we bothering with limit in the first place?

#22 10-11-2005, 11:07 AM

Are you calling everything down, or can I bluff the KK?
Do you fold to 4-flushes and 4 card straights? Fold to an A
on board?

Do you call down someone who reraises you preflop? Will you charge for draws?

Depending on how you handle these situations, which I would
determine rather quickly from whatching you play I think
there are many ways to capitalize on the situation.

Not to mention how hard it would be for the kings to play in multi-way pots.

#23 10-11-2005, 11:10 AM

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...you were dealt two face up kings every hand...

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That's gunna be a giveaway no matter how fast you table hop.

stigmata · #24 10-11-2005, 11:19 AM

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...you were dealt two face up kings every hand...

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That's gunna be a giveaway no matter how fast you table hop.

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I disagree. You would only play a small amount each day, from several accounts. Play one full round on each table. I can't remember what the table WSD stats are like, but you will only be showing your hand perhaps 3-4 times on average (with you folding sometimes). It will look like a mad co-incidence, but by the the 3rd time you show your kings (which is when people will get supsicous) you are nearly at the button.

And then most of the players wont see you again for quite some time....

#25 10-11-2005, 11:23 AM

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you were dealt two face up kings every hand

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I took this to mean they had the picture part facing into the air, like towards people's eyes.

tpir90036 · #26 10-11-2005, 11:40 AM

I have no idea why everyone is rushing to say how much higher your win rate would be. Your hand is face up!! Maybe they will choose to not give us action pre-flop but they could outplay us perfectly post-flop if they wanted to.

I am not sure exactly how this would play out since we might end up picking up a few small pots here and there but they will be smaller since no one is paying off.

Anyway, my gut says that our win rate would actually drop....that having KK every hand can not possibly overcome the disadvantage of our opponents having perfect information.

I will go with $0/hr.

stigmata · #27 10-11-2005, 11:45 AM

LOL oh yeah

DcifrThs · #28 10-11-2005, 11:52 AM

its interesting and obvious why you chose kings.

i think a few things could happen assuming this is an AVERAGE 20/40 game.

1) players would say to themselves (not the very good ones) "hey, this guys cards are face up, i'll just bluff him" thus you woul dhave to employ a strategy that involves calling down and seeing a showdown very freqently. eventually you'll stop getting bluffed and just pay off AA/Ax on an A high board quite frequently.

2) players may get BOARD folding worse hands and start to play just to try to flop a draw. in scary situations, you'll mostly be check calling, but in back you'll be raising so pl ayers may just be baord of folding every hand to KK so come with worse hands.

3) you will win the blinds very often.

these things combined i think make the game more profitable than $50/hr.so im pretty sure we'll end up with an EV > $50.

thats about all i can come up with at this point.

Barron

DcifrThs · #29 10-11-2005, 11:53 AM

you're not taking into acct that you are playing HUMANS, not robots.

humans get board. imagine a fish not playing any hands b/c they're worse than KK...eventually boardom will overcome them and either the game will break or they'll start playing worse hands.

Barron

tpir90036 · #30 10-11-2005, 12:01 PM

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you're not taking into acct that you are playing HUMANS, not robots.

humans get board. imagine a fish not playing any hands b/c they're worse than KK...eventually boardom will overcome them and either the game will break or they'll start playing worse hands.

Barron

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As per usual I am giving my opponents way more credit then they deserve. But what our opponents do is a large part of this. There is an enormous gap between a table of people who fold everything but AA and let us have the blinds and those who play lots of hands and play them well against us.