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Old 12-26-2005, 03:02 PM
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Default Was this wimpy????

Pacific Poker .25/.5....no reads I've just joined table....Hero is UTG with
A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

Preflop:
Hero raises. Everyone folds to CO who calls, Button calls, SB calls,
BB 3-bets, Hero, CO, Button, SB call.

Flop[K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
BB bets, Hero folds...

I was figuring, I have one overcard and a backdoor flush draw.......it is worth
it to continue here??? I hated getting 3-bet on the preflop.....should I have
just limped on the preflop given my position?

Thanks for the comments. I hope I'm not posting too much.......

Jim
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Old 12-26-2005, 03:06 PM
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It would have been wimpy had you limped in PF...

Easy fold
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Old 12-26-2005, 03:09 PM
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Default Re: Was this wimpy????

You're getting 16-1. At that price even a three-out draw is worth calling for, and you have that in your overcard and backdoors. Since BB was the aggressor, you can probably safely assume it won't be raised behind you.

Call and drop on the turn if you don't catch an A, Q, J, maybe a T (it's probably no good, though), or a diamond.
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Old 12-26-2005, 03:56 PM
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Default Re: Was this wimpy????

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It would have been wimpy had you limped in PF...

Easy fold

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Yeah, no limpo preflopo.

With 2 nut backdoor draws, tho, this is not a fold, it's a peel.
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Old 12-26-2005, 03:58 PM
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Call and drop on the turn if you don't catch an A, Q, J, maybe a T (it's probably no good, though), or a diamond.

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[holding nose]Ugh.[/holding nose]

Your ace and ten outs are terrible. You need a queen, jack or diamond (preferably a combination of two!) to continue on the turn.
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Old 12-26-2005, 03:59 PM
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'tis not wimpy a-Gainst an unknown
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Old 12-26-2005, 04:02 PM
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You're getting 16-1. At that price even a three-out draw is worth calling for, and you have that in your overcard and backdoors. Since BB was the aggressor, you can probably safely assume it won't be raised behind you.

Call and drop on the turn if you don't catch an A, Q, J, maybe a T (it's probably no good, though), or a diamond.

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what range do you put unknown BB 3-bettor on when he bets out on the K high flop?
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Old 12-26-2005, 04:10 PM
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Grunch.
Fold preflop UTG. If it is a passive table and you are pretty sure you'll have six to a flop regardless of raises, then I'd limp in here. You definitely don't need to be making people fold. On the flop you are getting 16-1 pot odds. The backdoor flush is worth 1.5 outs, probably discount the ace to 1.5 (although that might be high). I raise this hand, calling a 3-bet and folding the turn unless an ace or a card that helps our draw comes out. Depending on how passive BB is, this could buy you a free turn card.
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Old 12-26-2005, 04:29 PM
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Its a small pot, chuck it..
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Old 12-26-2005, 04:46 PM
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Grunch:
Preflop; I would limp here with a loose and passive table. I might fold with ag table as I don't want to call many raises to see flop.
Flop; I call this as bb was the other aggressor pre flop. You have 16 to 1 Pot odds and 1 1/2 outs bdfl,1 1/2 outs A, may 1/2 out bdstr8. With 6 to 1 to improve You need to call.
He could have 3b preflop with QQ or lower. Ax is another possibility. I don't like raising here, but rather see turn cheaply.
I plan to fold turn ui but stay with a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or re evaluate an A or J or Q.
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