Conditional Suffrage?

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Although I don't use drugs, I personally believe that pot and some other drugs should be legalized. Nonetheless, even low level dealers who never participate in violence are part of a network/class that uses violence against rival dealers and against members of law enforcement and witnesses. They thus share culpability in perpetuating that violence because they chose to commit those illegal acts rather than get a job.

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Ah. So even though person A does not commit a violent crime, he should be imprisoned, and lose his franchise (since that's the point of the thread), because someone else does? This is justice?

Not to mention the fact that the "network/class" uses violence precisely because of the prohibition.

None of your post does anything to show that non-violent drug offenders are not political prisoners (which of course they are), nor that denying them their franchise upon their release plainly affects whether pro-drug war incumbants can be voted from office, and hence, whether the laws can be changed. Which was my point.

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Not to mention the fact that the "network/class" uses violence precisely because of the prohibition.

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Absolutely pathetic justification of the murder of police officers, judges/prosecutors and witnesses.

And yes those as yet non-violent drug dealers should bear some of the responsibility because they are in fact implicit conspirators in the crimes of the violence of the drug network.

[Warik]

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Not to mention the fact that the "network/class" uses violence precisely because of the prohibition.

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Absolutely pathetic justification of the murder of police officers, judges/prosecutors and witnesses.

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Agreed.

While we're on that topic, I think rapists should have their voting rights restored as well. After all, the only reason they raped their victims is because the government said women can deny sexual consent.

Let's also restore armed bank robbers' voting rights as well. The only reason they took that money by force is becase the government said they couldn't just walk in and ask for it.

I get a tear in my eye every time I think about all these political prisoners.

[Borodog]

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Not to mention the fact that the "network/class" uses violence precisely because of the prohibition.

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Absolutely pathetic justification of the murder of police officers, judges/prosecutors and witnesses.

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Agreed.

While we're on that topic, I think rapists should have their voting rights restored as well. After all, the only reason they raped their victims is because the government said women can deny sexual consent.

Let's also restore armed bank robbers' voting rights as well. The only reason they took that money by force is becase the government said they couldn't just walk in and ask for it.

I get a tear in my eye every time I think about all these political prisoners.

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Rapists and bank robbers have victims, brainiac.

[tylerdurden]

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While we're on that topic, I think rapists should have their voting rights restored as well. After all, the only reason they raped their victims is because the government said women can deny sexual consent.

Let's also restore armed bank robbers' voting rights as well. The only reason they took that money by force is becase the government said they couldn't just walk in and ask for it.

I get a tear in my eye every time I think about all these political prisoners.

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Do you think that activities are "good" or "bad" based merely on what some elected group of monkeys decree?

Would you argue that drug dealing is a legitimate activity if it were legalized? Is the authorization all that you're impressed with?

[Borodog]

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Not to mention the fact that the "network/class" uses violence precisely because of the prohibition.

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Absolutely pathetic justification of the murder of police officers, judges/prosecutors and witnesses.

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A tiny fraction of violent drug offences are made up of the murder of police officers, judges, prosecutors, or witnesses. This is a strawman. The bulk of drug trade related violence is associated with settling contract and territorial disputes, which is what happens when you are denied access to the courts and any peaceable means of settling those disputes. This, by the way, is why criminal organizations often develop private arbitration mechanisms to avoid unneccesary bloodshed over contract and territorial disputes.

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And yes those as yet non-violent drug dealers should bear some of the responsibility because they are in fact implicit conspirators in the crimes of the violence of the drug network.

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In that case, the police officers, judges, prosecutors, and most importantly the politicians should bear the brunt of the blame, since the violence wouldn't exist without their politically motivated war on citizens. Those same politicians that are less likely to be voted out of office because they continue to disenfranchise voters who would likely vote against them. As I've said.

And for the record, any politician, police officer, prosecutor, or judge who has participated in imprisoning American citizens and ruining their lives for the "crime" of commerce deserves to eat a bullet anyway.

[Rduke55]

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And for the record, any politician, police officer, prosecutor, or judge who has participated in imprisoning American citizens and ruining their lives for the "crime" of commerce deserves to eat a bullet anyway.

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Again with this? They can't selectively enforce only the laws they agree with. But you think they still deserve to die?
Why do you and PVN still live in the US?

[tylerdurden]

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Again with this? They can't selectively enforce only the laws they agree with.

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Huh? You think this doesn't happen?

[Borodog]

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And for the record, any politician, police officer, prosecutor, or judge who has participated in imprisoning American citizens and ruining their lives for the "crime" of commerce deserves to eat a bullet anyway.

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Again with this? They can't selectively enforce only the laws they agree with.

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That's the funniest thing I've read all day. Of course they can and they do. The vast majority of laws go unenforced.

Part of the benefit of having a byzantine morass of uncountable thousands of laws is so that most citizens can be found to be violating some law or another most of the time, which can be enforced whenever this government officer or that bureaucrat finds it convenient or lucrative.

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But you think they still deserve to die?

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Perhaps "deserve" was too strong a word. But then again, perhaps it wasn't. Let's put it this way: they destroy tens of thousands of lives and families and get thousands of people needlessly killed each year. Why don't they deserve to die? Because they're "just doing their job?" Where have I heard that before?

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Why do you and PVN still live in the US?

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Believe me, if there were anywhere better on Earth, I'd be there already. In the meantime, am I supposed to be happy that I only have a ball and chain on one ankle, and only one gun pointed at the back of my head, when I could easily have two?