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11-19-2005, 03:30 PM
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this god is not worth reverence.
"A god that would punish a man by putting him in an eternal sub-terranian dungeon for not believing in him, is worthy of no man's reverence."
Alan Watts (paraphrazed) 
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#2
11-19-2005, 04:36 PM
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Re: this god is not worth reverence.
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"A god that would punish a man by putting him in an eternal sub-terranian dungeon for not believing in him, is worthy of no man's reverence." Alan Watts (paraphrazed) [/ QUOTE ] The only men condemned to Hell are those who choose to be there.
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#3
11-19-2005, 06:06 PM
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Re: this god is not worth reverence.
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"A god that would punish a man by putting him in an eternal sub-terranian dungeon for not believing in him, is worthy of no man's reverence." Alan Watts (paraphrazed) [/ QUOTE ] People who believe in a god like that, reveal a lot about themselves and have a very low opinion of the god they supposedly believe in. God will reserve his greatest punishment for them. I've checked with my god and the plan is to have them in 'eternal' hell until they come to understand for themselves that as god is good it must be a bluff. chez
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#4
11-19-2005, 07:09 PM
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Re: this god is not worth reverence.
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[ QUOTE ] "A god that would punish a man by putting him in an eternal sub-terranian dungeon for not believing in him, is worthy of no man's reverence." Alan Watts (paraphrazed) [/ QUOTE ] The only men condemned to Hell are those who choose to be there. [/ QUOTE ] That is not christian doctrine...so on whose behalf are you speaking?
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#5
11-19-2005, 07:48 PM
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Re: this god is not worth reverence.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "A god that would punish a man by putting him in an eternal sub-terranian dungeon for not believing in him, is worthy of no man's reverence." Alan Watts (paraphrazed) [/ QUOTE ] The only men condemned to Hell are those who choose to be there. [/ QUOTE ] That is not christian doctrine...so on whose behalf are you speaking? [/ QUOTE ] This is absolutely Catholic doctrine. Hell is reserved for those who choose to separate themselves from God through Mortal Sin and fail to repent.
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#6
11-19-2005, 08:01 PM
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Re: this god is not worth reverence.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "A god that would punish a man by putting him in an eternal sub-terranian dungeon for not believing in him, is worthy of no man's reverence." Alan Watts (paraphrazed) [/ QUOTE ] The only men condemned to Hell are those who choose to be there. [/ QUOTE ] That is not christian doctrine...so on whose behalf are you speaking? [/ QUOTE ] This is absolutely Catholic doctrine. Hell is reserved for those who choose to separate themselves from God through Mortal Sin and fail to repent. [/ QUOTE ] I thought Catholics believed one can only get to heaven through belief in Christ. Is this wrong?
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#7
11-19-2005, 08:08 PM
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Re: this god is not worth reverence.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "A god that would punish a man by putting him in an eternal sub-terranian dungeon for not believing in him, is worthy of no man's reverence." Alan Watts (paraphrazed) [/ QUOTE ] The only men condemned to Hell are those who choose to be there. [/ QUOTE ] That is not christian doctrine...so on whose behalf are you speaking? [/ QUOTE ] This is absolutely Catholic doctrine. Hell is reserved for those who choose to separate themselves from God through Mortal Sin and fail to repent. [/ QUOTE ] I thought Catholics believed one can only get to heaven through belief in Christ. Is this wrong? [/ QUOTE ] We believe that one can attain Heaven with a combination of Faith and Good Works. My main point is that the opportunity to go to Heaven is for everyone, and those who don't go to Heaven choose not to have the Faith or perform the Good Works that are demanded.
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#8
11-19-2005, 08:36 PM
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Re: this god is not worth reverence.
What does god do with people who never had the catholic doctrine taught to them (indians/people in africa or isolated places, or people of other religions, china, muslims, etc) do they go to hell as well? What if they follow the rules (not have sex for pleasure, not lie, not kill, not have abortions, etc) but at the same time dont believe in christ. Will they go to heaven just for following the rules? Is there middle term, or is it just paradise/hell?
What happens to childrem who die before they learn to talk and before they learn the catholic faith (their parents are the most 100% devoted christians etc..)
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#9
11-19-2005, 08:51 PM
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Re: this god is not worth reverence.
This is from Dogmatic Constitution on the Church - Lumen Gentium of the 2nd Vatican Council...pretty self explanatory.
5. The non-Christian may not be blamed for his ignorance of Christ and his Church; salvation is open to him also, if he seeks God sincerely and if he follows the commands of his conscience, for through this means the Holy Ghost acts upon all men; this divine action is not confined within the limited boundaries of the visible Church." 6
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#10
11-19-2005, 10:25 PM
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Re: this god is not worth reverence.
<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> What if they follow the rules (not have sex for pleasure.....) </pre><hr />
Catholics believe the primary purpose of sex is procreation and a secondary purpose is for pleasure. A married Catholic couple can have as much sex for pleasure as they want they just can't take artificial steps to eliminate the primary purpose of sex(i.e. artificial birth control). Stu
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