gettin' greedy

schwza · #1 08-17-2005, 01:31 PM

early in an empire 25+2. villain is new to the table, but seems a little on the fishy side.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

MP3 (t910)
CO (t1360)
Button (t2255)
SB (t90)
BB (t990)
UTG (t1345)
UTG+1 (t1010)
UTG+2 (t535)
MP1 (t1625)
Hero (t1830)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t60, 2 folds, Button raises to t105, SB calls t80 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls t45.

Flop: (t315) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t315) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (t315) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets t70, Button raises to t140, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t525

dmk · #2 08-17-2005, 01:52 PM

looks good. if you check the river, 90% of the time i see villian throw out a 1/2-2/3 pot bet (w/ probably anything, since i'm folding almost everything). i'd much rather toss out those 70 chips and fold to any raise. good hand.

durron597 · #3 08-17-2005, 01:59 PM

That is such a small raise I think you have to call it against a fishy villian. What are you putting him on here? An ace that wanted to check it down, but then you bet?

I check the river, but since you didn't I'm calling the 70 chips.

dmk · #4 08-17-2005, 02:01 PM

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I check the river, but since you didn't I'm calling the 70 chips.

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why? and why?

Dave D · #5 08-17-2005, 02:09 PM

I would have 1/2 pot bet the turn once villian checked the flop. Why would he reraise you PF and then not bet the flop? He either has aces and is slow playing them (I would too on that board), a high PP and also scared of the ace, or totally missed the flop.

70 chips on the river is a very weak bet. Villian probably smelled weakness or something and thats why he min raised you. I have to call this. With 300 in the pot anything under 150 chips isnt enough. I'd definatly call 70 to win 455, especially with a fishy read, and him checking behind twice.

jcm4ccc · #6 08-17-2005, 02:18 PM

You have JJ, and you folded on the river to a 70 chip bet with 500 chips in the pot? That's a terrible fold, no matter what the previous action was or your read on your opponents.

durron597 · #7 08-17-2005, 02:19 PM

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why?

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Clearly this opponent has shown the intention to try to check down and eliminate villian. I'm only expecting a river bet here when beaten.

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and why?

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His river raise is more likely a bluff than a river bet would be because the sidepot is no longer dry.

dmk · #8 08-17-2005, 02:20 PM

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You have JJ, and you folded on the river to a 70 chip bet with 500 chips in the pot? That's a terrible fold, no matter what the previous action was or your read on your opponents.

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and this is horrible advice...i'm curious as to how many ppl realize there is a dry sidepot here w/ someone already all-in...

durron597 · #9 08-17-2005, 02:23 PM

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and this is horrible advice...i'm curious as to how many ppl realize there is a dry sidepot here w/ someone already all-in...

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The sidepot isn't dry once you bet.

dmk · #10 08-17-2005, 02:24 PM

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why?

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Clearly this opponent has shown the intention to try to check down and eliminate villian. I'm only expecting a river bet here when beaten.

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His river raise is more likely a bluff than a river bet would be because the sidepot is no longer dry.

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could you please list what hands villian probably has here and how often? i have trouble listing even 1 that hero is ahead of. pot-odds only go so far...