Playing Looser in low limits...WARNING POTENTIONALLY HAZARDOUS CONTENT - Page 5

DcifrThs · #41 09-06-2005, 11:24 PM

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And so it begins.

Just as Nate's excellent "You are all too tight" post did a few months ago, this post will result in many developing players to enter many marginal situations with which they are not prepared to cope with and probably are not +EV anyways.

Expect to see a rash of inappropriate isolation raises, marginal hands played OOP without regard for the traffic behind them...etc.

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is covered by:

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4) the looser play advocated in this post is POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS to somebody NOT ABLE TO PLAY POSTFLOP well

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Barron

Alex/Mugaaz · #42 09-06-2005, 11:31 PM

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This is a good thread, but like, shouldn't people just go read SSHE instead of this thread?

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ok, i did say :

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a few disclaimers:

1) this is mostly covered in M&M&S (hmmm, Miller and Malmuth=M&M, thats sweet) book(s)

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Barron

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The problem with this advice is that almost no one falls into the category where they:

1. Don't know it /Didn't think about
2. Understand it and are capable of applying it well before they should move up to a place where it doesn't apply anymore.

DcifrThs · #43 09-06-2005, 11:37 PM

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This is a good thread, but like, shouldn't people just go read SSHE instead of this thread?

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ok, i did say :

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a few disclaimers:

1) this is mostly covered in M&M&S (hmmm, Miller and Malmuth=M&M, thats sweet) book(s)

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Barron

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The problem with this advice is that almost no one falls into the category where they:

1. Don't know it /Didn't think about
2. Understand it and are capable of applying it well before they should move up to a place where it doesn't apply anymore.

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good points.

i just saw a few posts where i was thinking about how some folks are too tight. i thus posted the above.

if i knew at the beginning of my career what i know now i woulda moved up a lot faster. and im not just saying that hypothetically...after clearing my original roll for school etc. i took $20 in nov 2005 and built that up to my roll that i now can safely play limits up to 80/160 every day if i so choose. i used the concepts i understand now to build it and w/o those thoughts i posted it would have taken me forever longer.

im just trying to help those out.

Barron

paperboyNC · #44 09-06-2005, 11:38 PM

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The problem with this advice is that almost no one falls into the category where they:

1. Don't know it /Didn't think about
2. Understand it and are capable of applying it well before they should move up to a place where it doesn't apply anymore.

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I have played close to 200,000 hands of online poker and built a bankroll of 10k, but I still play $3/$6.

I think a lot of very good and experienced players on this table still play 2/4, 3/6 and 5/10 and look for loose passive tables. Plus, if anyone plays at a casino, they are probably playing a loose/passive table.

PaperboyNC

DcifrThs · #45 09-06-2005, 11:42 PM

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The problem with this advice is that almost no one falls into the category where they:

1. Don't know it /Didn't think about
2. Understand it and are capable of applying it well before they should move up to a place where it doesn't apply anymore.

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I have played close to 200,000 hands of online poker and built a bankroll of 10k, but I still play $3/$6.

I think a lot of very good and experienced players on this table still play 2/4, 3/6 and 5/10 and look for loose passive tables. Plus, if anyone plays at a casino, they are probably playing a loose/passive table.

PaperboyNC

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i guess the next post i write will have to be about moving up and taking shots b/c i haven't even played 200k hands since nov 2005 and wow...i dunno man. take some shots w/ something youc an afford to lose...b/c you can at this point. unless of course youd rather be conservative...in which case, good decision.

Barron

#46 09-07-2005, 12:42 AM

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i took $20 in nov 2005 and built that up to my roll that i now can safely play limits up to 80/160 every day if i so choose.

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You have money from the future? AWESOME!!!

DcifrThs · #47 09-07-2005, 01:10 AM

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This is a good thread, but like, shouldn't people just go read SSHE instead of this thread?

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ok, i did say :

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a few disclaimers:

1) this is mostly covered in M&M&S (hmmm, Miller and Malmuth=M&M, thats sweet) book(s)

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Barron

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The problem with this advice is that almost no one falls into the category where they:

1. Don't know it /Didn't think about
2. Understand it and are capable of applying it well before they should move up to a place where it doesn't apply anymore.

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good points.

i just saw a few posts where i was thinking about how some folks are too tight. i thus posted the above.

if i knew at the beginning of my career what i know now i woulda moved up a lot faster. and im not just saying that hypothetically...after clearing my original roll for school etc. i took $20 in nov 2005 and built that up to my roll that i now can safely play limits up to 80/160 every day if i so choose. i used the concepts i understand now to build it and w/o those thoughts i posted it would have taken me forever longer.

im just trying to help those out.

Barron

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yes. it has bill clinton's face on it.

nov. 2004 clearly.

Barron

Alex/Mugaaz · #48 09-07-2005, 01:21 AM

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The problem with this advice is that almost no one falls into the category where they:

1. Don't know it /Didn't think about
2. Understand it and are capable of applying it well before they should move up to a place where it doesn't apply anymore.

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I have played close to 200,000 hands of online poker and built a bankroll of 10k, but I still play $3/$6.

I think a lot of very good and experienced players on this table still play 2/4, 3/6 and 5/10 and look for loose passive tables. Plus, if anyone plays at a casino, they are probably playing a loose/passive table.

PaperboyNC

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Yes, but you're ignoring the fact that (I'm assuming) you already knew all this information. There are VERY few people who can take advantage of this who don't already know it, most will be harmed.

The only real candidates are people who for some reason don't wish to move up, or can't move up. The only other possible exception is someone who is good at another form of poker playing lower while learning a new form.

I think most of these hands that are good in these games are already recommended in SSHE. The ones that aren't mentioned are only minutely +EV anyway, if you make postflop mistakes that swings pretty fast too. I think the definition of a mediocre player is they still make mistakes fairly often in unusual circumstances, which is pretty much exactly where you will always be with these hands.

Finally find me a player who's > > biggest < < fault is playing too tight and I'll show you a player who is pretty good.

Alex/Mugaaz · #49 09-07-2005, 01:24 AM

I think you are wrong if you think you would of moved up a lot faster.

Nytecaster · #50 09-07-2005, 01:41 AM

<<Over my first 30k hands or so w/PT, I was in the red with every Axs below AT, with the exception of A5 (statistical abnormality Id think). If you are playing A4s in MP behind 1-2 limpers, you are looking at a 4-5way unraised flop. The ONLY flops you are happy with are flushes, 4flushes, wheels, two pairs & trips. You simply cannot continue on any other flops. I have not found these hands to be profitable enough when they hit to offset the times where they do not.>>

You are forgetting the pair with a flush card on the board which you can see the turn for one maybe two bets in the right position. This is an extremely important addition to your criteria.