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Old 12-09-2005, 09:25 AM
RustyCJ RustyCJ is offline
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Default KTo from button makes 2nd pair with a bet to me

No reads on CO, only 9 hands played total against him.

I see a mix of people who raise/fold KTo here, but with position I feel comfortable raising it.

On the flop I raised to try to isolate myself with CO and maybe get a checked Q to fold.

After the flop I got chicken and was scared of that Q.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, CO calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:28 AM
HajiShirazu HajiShirazu is offline
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Default Re: KTo from button makes 2nd pair with a bet to me

Bet the turn and river. Especially that river, a great card for you.
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:40 AM
therockofgibraltar therockofgibraltar is offline
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Default Re: KTo from button makes 2nd pair with a bet to me

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After the flop I got chicken and was scared of that Q.

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He didn't 3-bet the flop so I guess you have to bet the turn and specially the river! Do not give free cards when all he is doing is passively calling/checking.
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:45 AM
Peter Harris Peter Harris is offline
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Default Re: KTo from button makes 2nd pair with a bet to me

i fold here PF after 2 limpers, but i'm like that [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] with one limper a raise to isolate may be worthwhile, but with 2, im out.

Flop is goot but you want to bet the turn and river with little doubt. I think you can bet-fold the river to a c/r comfortably; it looks like you left bets on the table as CO can't have a queen unless he likes the river c/r.
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:49 AM
therockofgibraltar therockofgibraltar is offline
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Default Re: KTo from button makes 2nd pair with a bet to me

I used to fold KTo after 2 limpers in 1/2 SH but now I am experimenting raising [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
edit: because I think I have a better hand than the 2 loose limpers.

I don't know which one is better (or is calling the best?).

Any advices?
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:52 AM
gehrig gehrig is offline
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Default Re: KTo from button makes 2nd pair with a bet to me

limp preflop. you should be doing lots of overlimping on the button with crap hands like this at .5/1
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:56 AM
gonzopro gonzopro is offline
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Default Re: KTo from button makes 2nd pair with a bet to me

Your missing a ton value on the turn and river and giving away free cards like Christmas presents. You're not Santa - so stop it. I personally am throwing away KTo with limpers except at a very loose table. Risk of domination is too high.
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Old 12-09-2005, 07:27 PM
RustyCJ RustyCJ is offline
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Default Re: KTo from button makes 2nd pair with a bet to me

So some people limp here and most seem to toss this, but the starting hand chart I have has KJo as a raise and it does have KT as a fold after limpers, is the threat of 1 more overcard coming to KT and the kicker issue so great that it is worth a toss and KJo is worth a raise?

i have little respect for 95% of the players at .5/1 6 handed at Party, they limp with everything and they call down with anything, most do not play aggressively, very few would 3-bet with a Q on that flop.
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