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Old 05-15-2005, 11:44 PM
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Default Normally I\'d Call But I Call Down Too Much

Villain seems TAG.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

Yes?
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Old 05-15-2005, 11:51 PM
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wtf?
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Old 05-15-2005, 11:52 PM
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Bad fold?
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Old 05-15-2005, 11:54 PM
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Default Re: Normally I\'d Call But I Call Down Too Much

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Bad fold?

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Yes.
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Old 05-15-2005, 11:57 PM
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Default Re: Normally I\'d Call But I Call Down Too Much

Me no likey this fold. Given that the board paired, villain could easily have put you on a bluff and raised something like KK.

Heck, I'd bet/call this river even if the A hadn't paired, although I'd be willing to entertain arguments about why bet/fold is better.
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Old 05-15-2005, 11:59 PM
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River: (6.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

Yes?

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I don't understand this fold at all. I wouldn't be able to make it without an extremely specific read.
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Old 05-15-2005, 11:59 PM
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On the outside it looks bad, but I really don't see what Villain is raising here that you beat.
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Old 05-16-2005, 12:05 AM
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I think we should have checkraised the turn.
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Old 05-16-2005, 12:06 AM
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Given that the board paired, villain could easily have put you on a bluff and raised something like KK.

Err this probably isn't the case. The villian either has us toasted or he has something like KQ or a pocket pair under jacks. You are almost always going to lose in this spot if you call, but the pot might be big to warrent one. I dunno...I have never called and won in this spot personally (though the river bet is good).

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Old 05-16-2005, 12:07 AM
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Default Re: Normally I\'d Call But I Call Down Too Much

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On the outside it looks bad, but I really don't see what Villain is raising here that you beat.

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You're almost 90% sure you're beat here? With the right read I can understand, but "Villain seems TAG" isn't enough in my opinion.
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