PP $400 6max, Not sure if i should get stacked

warlockjd · #1 04-19-2005, 10:40 PM

Comments on all streets please.

Villain is vpip 45%, pfr 3%, 8.21 aggression postflop, 291 hands.

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB :#A500AF(villain)/ (6 max, 5 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

BB :#A500AF(villain)/ ($412.4)
UTG ($310.3)
MP ($227)
Button ($866.5)
Hero ($944.22)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, MP calls $4, Button calls $4, Hero (poster) completes, BB :#A500AF(villain)/ raises to $11, MP folds, Button calls $11, Hero calls $11.

Flop: ($49) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, villain bets $25, Button folds, Hero calls $25.

Turn: ($99) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, villain bets $15, Hero raises to $142, villain calls $127.

River: ($383) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Hero bets all in; Villain calls $230.4

Results in white below: 
villain has 6d 6h (full house, sixes full of fives).
Hero has 9s 8s (straight, nine high).
Outcome: villain wins $383.

creedofhubris · #2 04-19-2005, 10:54 PM

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Comments on all streets please.

Villain is vpip 45%, pfr 3%, 8.21 aggression postflop, 291 hands.

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB :#A500AF(villain)/ (6 max, 5 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

BB :#A500AF(villain)/ ($412.4)
UTG ($310.3)
MP ($227)
Button ($866.5)
Hero ($944.22)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, MP calls $4, Button calls $4, Hero (poster) completes, BB :#A500AF(villain)/ raises to $11, MP folds, Button calls $11, Hero calls $11.

Flop: ($49) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, villain bets $25, Button folds, Hero calls $25.

Turn: ($99) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, villain bets $15, Hero raises to $142, villain calls $127.

River: ($383) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Hero bets all in; Villain calls $230.4

Results in white below: 
villain has 6d 6h (full house, sixes full of fives).
Hero has 9s 8s (straight, nine high).
Outcome: villain wins $383. 

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Hero is calling a drawing hand into a raise out of position. Not a very big raise, so not a very big deal, but still a bad habit.

Hero is calling the flop, in order to bluff later? The odds of hitting your gutshot, on a paired board, do not justify the call. It only works if you're planning to make a large move at the pot later regardless of whether you hit or miss. Or were you thinking that your 8/9 were outs?

Once villain calls the big check-raise on the turn, warning bells should start going off in your head.

I don't like the river all-in. He's folding anything you beat except A5/A4/44.

AEKDBet · #3 04-19-2005, 11:15 PM

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River: ($383) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Hero bets all in; Villain calls $230.4

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In 6 max when the straight card comes off and villain moves in here on river WITH the paired board he wants the call from a straight.

This happens quite a bit in 100 6max with paired boards versus obvious draws that are drawing dead.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 4 handed) converter

UTG ($27.45)
Button ($94.9)
Hero ($99)
BB ($193)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($3) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $3, Hero calls $3, BB calls $3.

Turn: ($12) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $1, Hero calls $1, BB calls $1.

River: ($15) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero calls $94 (All-In), BB calls $94, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $203

Hero has Jd Js (full house, jacks full of aces).
BB has 8s Ts (straight, jack high).
Outcome: Hero wins $203.

NickDollar · #4 04-19-2005, 11:16 PM

Pre-flop, this guy very rarely raises, now he raises from big blind? I'd call with 98s shorthanded too, hoping to crack a monster.

Now on the flop it's pretty marginal, you for the most part whiffed and I don't think it merits a call. If your 9 and 8 are outs, your opponent only has high cards so hitting won't mean a big pot and you barely have odds to call anyway. If they aren't outs, then you're calling a bet out of position on a paired board for a gutshot. Ick.

On to the turn, which is a street that seems very very very suspect from an opponent as aggressive as this. Check it out: he bets LESS than his flop bet, and then cold calls a huge (relative to his bet) checkraise. Uh oh. My line here would be a quite smaller checkraise hoping to get value from an unlikely overpair, or make other things like AK call to hit one of their "outs".

After those warning bells on the turn, I think a river check is in order. Call a small bet definitely, but I think after his strength on the turn you can fold to an allin.

freemoney · #5 04-20-2005, 12:01 AM

flop play is really bad you are better off leading out then check calling but i check fold here, with his stack size you have to stack him you dont want him checking behind you with a 5 or an overpair, you cant fold to his push so moving in is good