Appropriate PF raise?

[CardSharpCook]

AK4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the SB.

Button limps, I raise. Correct?

The BB in the hand said that I'd get murdered if I raised this live, but this seems pretty standard to me. A45 is a nice low draw, AK is a nice high draw and the diamond flush doesn't hurt. I think this is appropriate and that the BB was just looking to grouse when both my low hits and my flush hits leaving his AKT2 with nothing.

[Buzz]

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Button limps, I raise. Correct?

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Yes. Correct.

[DyessMan89]

Are you playing LO8 or PLO8? I would assume LO8. Either way, its a raise.

Your thread on steaks in OOT was great.

I am not sure I follow this. Are you heads up? If you are, then it's a raise. I don't raise this hand from SB in a full ring game.

[kurto]

Why? An A4 low is pretty crappy, no?

[Alchemist]

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I don't raise this hand from SB in a full ring game.

[/ QUOTE ] Unless it's folded to the button, then I'd probably raise.

[Scotty O]

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I don't raise this hand from SB in a full ring game.

[/ QUOTE ] Unless it's folded to the button, then I'd probably raise.

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Same here. 1 or 2 players in before you in a fullring is a call

[Buzz]

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Why? An A4 low is pretty crappy, no?

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Kurto - Yes.

However, you have four cards in this game, not just two. I'm assuming Hero has a hand something like
A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], which I think is actually a reasonably nice starting hand in a full game, better, for example, than A277n, A278n, A279n, A27Tn, A27Jn, A27Qn, and A27Kn. (n means "rainbow")

Card Sharp didn't specify limit play or pot limit play. My answer is for limit play. (Pot limit, from my perspective, has entirely different considerations).

Heads-up against a random hand, A45Ks= (my way of designating this particular hand for my files) is 59 to 41.
Thus it's a very nice heads-up starting hand.

I'm assuming from the way the post was written that everybody has folded except the button, and thus Hero has a chance, by raising, to get one-on-one. The button probably doesn't exactly have a random hand, but even so, A45Ks= is very decent one-on-one.

I think you probably don't want to be out of position in a pot-limit game with any hand, but acting first in a limit game with A45Ks= is not as big a disadvantage as in pot-limit. Heads-up in a limit game, I'd probably bet the flop almost regardless and go from there.

That's more than you asked.

Bottom line, yes, A4 is a pretty crappy pre-flop low combination in a full game, but A45Ks= is very playable in either a full limit game or one-on-one in a limit game. I'm going to see the flop with it all day long, and probably play the hand aggressively.

Just my opinion.

Buzz

[CardSharpCook]

Sorry if it was unclear. 9 handed Limit Omaha H/L. 6folds, button limps, I am in the SB with AK4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

[Buzz]

Card Sharp - Thanks for clearing it up about whether it was pot limit or limit. That makes all the difference in the world. The two games play totally differently!

Not a big deal, but the exact cards are still unclear. Looks to me like the four and the five are diamonds, but what suits are the ace and the king? (I assumed the ace and king were not diamonds and were two different suits).

The other possibility would be that the cards are all diamonds. With four diamonds, you wouldn't make a flush as often, but you'd have the nut flush when you did. Both having non-nut diamonds and having four in the suit are a step down from having two diamonds including the ace. (Having non-nut diamonds is a bigger step down, IMHO, than having four cards in the flush suit).

Buzz