KQo Checkup

SippinSoma · #1 11-17-2005, 03:31 PM

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 3 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB folds.

River: (9 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Standard right? What if villain is fishy? What if he's very good?

The_Curtain · #2 11-17-2005, 04:09 PM

While a read on villian would be helpful, I like all streets. I think the river is a bet - fold to raise, as this is a value bet if villian would call down with a lesser queen or a lower pair.

I think the villian is looking for an overcall from the BB on the turn. Unless the Button is really loose, the pre-flop and flop cold calls are a little alarming. Looks like a flush draw to me. I don't think you are beating anything but a bluff on a busted draw.

The Dude · #3 11-17-2005, 04:14 PM

River check-raises are never bluffs. Fold. Next hand.

FWIW, it looks like you opponent waited until the river to check-raise his flush. Although other hands are possible too (Q8, 88, etc.), that's his most likely hand.

JojoDiego · #4 11-17-2005, 04:27 PM

Dude, that wasn't a check-raise, just a regular old raise. Should he therefore make the call getting 12-1?

icepick · #5 11-17-2005, 04:34 PM

I limp KQo in EP in most cases.

Flop fine. Turn, I'm worried, but betting anyways.

River, I bet. FWIW, I call the raise.

Forbillz · #6 11-17-2005, 04:40 PM

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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 3 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB folds.

River: (9 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Standard right? What if villain is fishy? What if he's very good?

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I'm mostly worried if this guy is a solid player. If he's solid, the turn call makes sense (looking for an overcall from BB). If he's less than solid (your words: fishy), I think I make this call. Poorer players aren't going to think "let me get that overcall", they're going to jump out of their seats about hitting their draw and try to jam the pot. I think a poorer player raises this turn. The fact that he didn't makes this river fold vs. call read-dependent, IMO.

SenecaJim · #7 11-17-2005, 04:51 PM

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I limp KQo in EP in most cases.

Flop fine. Turn, I'm worried, but betting anyways.

River, I bet. FWIW, I call the raise.

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#8 11-17-2005, 05:14 PM

SSH say limp with KQo in early postion.... But what do i know i am still new

SippinSoma · #9 11-17-2005, 05:52 PM

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SSH say limp with KQo in early postion.... But what do i know i am still new

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Me aggro 2p2 me like hand me raise.

krimson · #10 11-17-2005, 06:01 PM

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SSH say limp with KQo in early postion.... But what do i know i am still new

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Me aggro 2p2 me like hand me raise.

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