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12-29-2005, 12:38 PM
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Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
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[ QUOTE ] basically, you make this push if you think he's going to respond weakly to aggression (i.e. fold). i actually don't think you want a call here. [/ QUOTE ] Correct! You don't want a call here - unless he is folding enough to make up for when he DOES call (because of the "dead" 900 chips). It might seem counter-intuitive, but if he called 100% of the time here, you'd have to be 50.3% favourite for it to be +$EV.. and KJo just doesn't stand up that well against a whole lot (thus the need for it to be a 39% range). The problem is, when he folds the bottom X% of that range, then the hands he still calls with, KJo holds up badly against those too, and so on.. it doesn't get below 37% range til he's folding 40%+ of the time. That is what I was trying to get at, but hey, ridicule is fine too. [/ QUOTE ] What do you put SB min-raise/call-a-push range at? 22+? A9+? KJ+? We're 37/63 against that range. So, all the matters is the number of times SB folds. You're telling me that it's correct to fold KJ w/9BB ITM to a min-raise? 
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#2
12-29-2005, 12:44 PM
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Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
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What do you put SB min-raise/call-a-push range at? 22+? A9+? KJ+? We're 37/63 against that range. So, all the matters is the number of times SB folds. You're telling me that it's correct to fold KJ w/9BB ITM to a min-raise? [/ QUOTE ] Well that's the question isn't it - which is why I'd want a read on the guy, and to have some idea on his read on me to make the push.
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#3
12-29-2005, 12:45 PM
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Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
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You're telling me that it's correct to fold KJ w/9BB ITM to a min-raise? [/ QUOTE ] Ummm yeah, that was my first thought when I seen the hand.
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#4
12-29-2005, 12:46 PM
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Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
Well, personally, I always (without fail) have some read on the SB by this point and some idea of my table image, and I play KJo here accordingly. There isn't a black and white answer.
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#5
12-29-2005, 05:26 PM
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Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
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Well, personally, I always (without fail) have some read on the SB by this point and some idea of my table image, and I play KJo here accordingly. There isn't a black and white answer. [/ QUOTE ] Wheres that Jukel dude? Did he read this thread? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I think yours and 45suited posts are great...I hadn't realized consiously the points you discussed - but I realized that I do go through the same process in this spot... Incidentally Tigerite (or 45suited)... how bad is cold-calling here and then 'playing some poker' post-flop? a) You're ITM already b) You're getting 4:1 on your money c) Generally - you have to figure you have 2 live ones d) You have position and may be able to buy it post-flop (since - as we already established - we now have a read on the SB)
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#7
12-29-2005, 05:56 PM
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Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
I think I would probably call here barring the villain is a total donk and has been minraising a ton. This is because:
a) I don't think he's folding to the all in raise. b) I don't think we're ahead of him right now. c) We're kinda short and KJ is a pretty good hand 3 way. d) If I flop a pair it will probably be top pair and he'll probably bet into me, allowing me to basically double up everytime I flop a pair. I would probably use position to my advantage here. Repushing isnt a great play I think, I would fold before I pushed against a normal player. I think I call here 75%, fold 25%.
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#8
12-29-2005, 12:48 PM
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Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
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What do you put SB min-raise/call-a-push range at? 22+? A9+? KJ+? We're 37/63 against that range. So, all the matters is the number of times SB folds. You're telling me that it's correct to fold KJ w/9BB ITM to a min-raise? [/ QUOTE ] IT DEPENDS. In order to put the SB on a range of hands, you have to have witnessed his behavior up to this point. How can tigerite answer a question like that in a vacuum. Against some opponents, I'd push instantly. Against others, I'd call and see a flop. I can't imagine that there would be opponents so tight that I would fold this ITM, but who knows... Well, I just read tigerite's responses, and as usual, he is correct. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#9
12-29-2005, 04:49 PM
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Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
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[ QUOTE ] Well, I just read tigerite's responses, and as usual, he is correct. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] i have to apologize to tigerite. judging by his name I thought he was a she. sorry.
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