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Re: KK General Flop Question
When someone raises preflop in EP, I start off by putting him on TT-AA, AK, and AQ. I modify this range depending on how well I know the player. When he just called your preflop raise, I'd take KK & AA out of his range. For the rest of the hand, I want to control the pot. I'd make a 2/3 pot bet on the flop. If he checks again on the turn, I'd bet 1/2 pot. If he then check-raises, you may be way behind. Look for the possible hands he might hold to raise the turn. Would he raise with AQ, AK, JJ, or TT (you're way ahead)? Would he do it with a slowplayed AA, QQ, or some other set (you're way behind)? Against a solid player, I'm folding the turn. By controlling the pot size, you can still get away from the hand on the turn. Against a bad player who overplays top pair, I'll probably continue with the hand. But the turn is where you have to decide if your hand is good or not.
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Re: KK General Flop Question
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When someone raises preflop in EP, I start off by putting him on TT-AA, AK, and AQ. I modify this range depending on how well I know the player. When he just called your preflop raise, I'd take KK & AA out of his range. For the rest of the hand, I want to control the pot. I'd make a 2/3 pot bet on the flop. If he checks again on the turn, I'd bet 1/2 pot. If he then check-raises, you may be way behind. Look for the possible hands he might hold to raise the turn. Would he raise with AQ, AK, JJ, or TT (you're way ahead)? Would he do it with a slowplayed AA, QQ, or some other set (you're way behind)? Against a solid player, I'm folding the turn. By controlling the pot size, you can still get away from the hand on the turn. Against a bad player who overplays top pair, I'll probably continue with the hand. But the turn is where you have to decide if your hand is good or not. [/ QUOTE ] nice post. |
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Re: KK General Flop Question
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When someone raises preflop in EP, I start off by putting him on TT-AA, AK, and AQ. I modify this range depending on how well I know the player. When he just called your preflop raise, I'd take KK & AA out of his range. For the rest of the hand, I want to control the pot. I'd make a 2/3 pot bet on the flop. If he checks again on the turn, I'd bet 1/2 pot. If he then check-raises, you may be way behind. Look for the possible hands he might hold to raise the turn. Would he raise with AQ, AK, JJ, or TT (you're way ahead)? Would he do it with a slowplayed AA, QQ, or some other set (you're way behind)? Against a solid player, I'm folding the turn. By controlling the pot size, you can still get away from the hand on the turn. Against a bad player who overplays top pair, I'll probably continue with the hand. But the turn is where you have to decide if your hand is good or not. [/ QUOTE ] Very nice analysis, but why do you automatically eliminate AA & KK? Lots of times if I raise and get reraised I will just call with these hands. I might call AA in order to "trap". And I might call w/KK because I don't want to get all in against an obvious AA. |
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Re: KK General Flop Question
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Very nice analysis, but why do you automatically eliminate AA & KK? Lots of times if I raise and get reraised I will just call with these hands. I might call AA in order to "trap". And I might call w/KK because I don't want to get all in against an obvious AA. [/ QUOTE ] Nothing in poker is definite (I didn't mean to come across that way). To read your opponent, you start with a wide range of hands and you eliminate some along the way (based on his actions). It's unlikely for him to hold KK since you're holding KK. AA doesn't make sense either. Why would he limp with AA, then just call your preflop raise (knowing he'll be out of position for the rest of the hand)? When I see solid players limp with AA, they usually re-raise big when it gets back to them. But nothing is absolute. He could just call your raise to trap you if it looks like he'll be heads up with you going to the flop. AA comes along so infrequently that people usually don't mess around when they get it. It has such a big advantage preflop that you want to raise/re-raise and get it all-in before the flop. I think it's always correct to get all-in with AA preflop against one other player. You're at least a 4:1 favorite. Get your money in the middle when you're ahead. In this case, you're ahead big. Lots of people also play KK this strong. |
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Re: KK General Flop Question
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[ QUOTE ] Very nice analysis, but why do you automatically eliminate AA & KK? Lots of times if I raise and get reraised I will just call with these hands. I might call AA in order to "trap". And I might call w/KK because I don't want to get all in against an obvious AA. [/ QUOTE ] Nothing in poker is definite (I didn't mean to come across that way). To read your opponent, you start with a wide range of hands and you eliminate some along the way (based on his actions). It's unlikely for him to hold KK since you're holding KK. AA doesn't make sense either. Why would he limp with AA, then just call your preflop raise (knowing he'll be out of position for the rest of the hand)? When I see solid players limp with AA, they usually re-raise big when it gets back to them. But nothing is absolute. He could just call your raise to trap you if it looks like he'll be heads up with you going to the flop. AA comes along so infrequently that people usually don't mess around when they get it. It has such a big advantage preflop that you want to raise/re-raise and get it all-in before the flop. I think it's always correct to get all-in with AA preflop against one other player. You're at least a 4:1 favorite. Get your money in the middle when you're ahead. In this case, you're ahead big. Lots of people also play KK this strong. [/ QUOTE ] Reread my first post. He raised in early position, thats what makes this hand more interesting. |
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Re: KK General Flop Question
Also, if you fear strength by his flop call, would it be smart to check behind on the turn? Then you can call a smaller river bet with a hand that has some showdown value.
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Re: KK General Flop Question
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Also, if you fear strength by his flop call, would it be smart to check behind on the turn? Then you can call a smaller river bet with a hand that has some showdown value. [/ QUOTE ] Whether to check or bet after he checks again on the turn depends on the type of opponent, the board, his hand range, etc. Some opponents will quickly fold when you fire a 2nd barrel. Calling stations will call you down with middle pair. |
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