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Old 04-05-2005, 11:21 AM
xpander xpander is offline
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Default 6M Limping Conditions

I recently switched over from full to 6-max. However, I'm struggling preflop. I'm 16/11. I never cold call first, and only cold call small PPs after atleast 1 limper.

UTG - is any hand worth limping? For borderline hands like QJs or 66, I mix up my play - raise or fold. I'll limp with PPs < 77 if the game is passive.

MP - I find myself open-raising or folding. If the game is LP, I limp hands like T9s or AXs.

CO/Button - My VP$P is 20% (but still tight). I'm limping high suited connectors (some broadways included) after two limpers, pocket pairs, AXs, and some KXs. I can't think of anything else.

A lot of Guido's posts were looking for the right amount of aggression (thanks man, they help a lot), but I guess my question is, which marginal hands have +EV in 6M, but are not worth a raise (if any)? From what positions (blinds included), and under what table textures?

My sample size is not large enough to merit being posted. But regardless of the number of hands I've played, my thought process will relatively stay the same. You all must have different standards (they come with different styles), but I would like the community's thoughts on this. Or just a link if it's been previously discussed. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

And I don't want a chart. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:49 AM
Rubeskies Rubeskies is offline
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Default Re: 6M Limping Conditions

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I'm 16/11.

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These two numbers need to be higher.

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UTG - is any hand worth limping? For borderline hands like QJs or 66, I mix up my play - raise or fold. I'll limp with PPs < 77 if the game is passive.

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Most people won't limp anything UTG, some will do QTs, JTs and 66/77 but I don't think raising them is really wrong. I raise them.

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MP - I find myself open-raising or folding. If the game is LP, I limp hands like T9s or AXs.

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Usually open-raising or folding is SOP.


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You all must have different standards (they come with different styles), :

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Some play tight (VPIP 20-21, PFR 14-16) while others play a more LAG style (25-28 sometimes more with a PFR from 17-20). There have been tons of discussions about which is better.

My understanding is that when you are just learning it's better to play the tighter style, but once you reach a certain proficiency level, more profit can be made playing looser. Take that with a grain of salt though because I don't have any evidence to back that up.
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:51 AM
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Default Re: 6M Limping Conditions

UTG I'm raising QJs,66 even QJo a great majority of the time

MP first one in I fold or raise T9s depending on tightness of CO and Button and the blinds, if I feel I can buy the button I will raise it. Axs I'm raising

CO/Button with two limpers I will limp with low suited connectors and small pp's 55-22, but I'm raising everything else.

I think a VPIP of 16 is on the really low end for 6 max, and I think you might be missing out on a good amount of +ev hands. In my realitively new foray into 5/10 i'm running at 26/18 and i've really tried to play a little bit tighter at the beginning [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].
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Old 04-05-2005, 12:25 PM
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Default Re: 6M Limping Conditions

Depends on the table and your image. At the right tables I'll limp UTG with Axs and low pps.
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Old 04-05-2005, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: 6M Limping Conditions

limping is super rare at 6max. my vpip is like 21 and pf raise is like 17. a lot of the times i dont raise pf is from the bb so that differentiates these numbers even more.

i have been limping more lately. overlimping with small pocket pairs and sometimes openlimping in ep with them. also, overlimping on the button with hands like j10s, 10-8s, 78s etc.
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Old 04-05-2005, 12:48 PM
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Default Re: 6M Limping Conditions

If the table conditions won't allow me to raise Axs, low pp's I'm folding them.
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Old 04-05-2005, 05:44 PM
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Default Re: 6M Limping Conditions

What's SOP mean?


and a bump as well.
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Old 04-05-2005, 06:54 PM
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