"Stealing" w/ KQs

[Brain]

Nothing out of line about BB as he just sat down. My HU play still needs a little work.

F: I didn't think betting at the flop would accomplish much if he thinks I'm stealing.
T: I think I was pretty much raising any turn here and folding to a 3-bet.
R: Checking behind seemed prudent because even if he thought I was stealing, he could most certainly have an ace.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero <font color="red">raises</font>, 3 folds, BB <font color="red">3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (3.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
BB <font color="red">bets</font>, Hero <font color="red">raises</font>, BB calls.

River: (7.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

[MrWookie47]

Checking that flop after the 3bet broadcasts either QQ-66 or AA-KK, AK. He almost certainly doesn't have a weaker A than AK. I don't know if I have the stones to raise the turn, one, because I'm a wimp, and two, I do have some outs to a gutshot that I'd rather not forfeit. Since he didn't raise you on that turn, I think you can bet the river for value.

Check by BB on flop to me says no Ace. PF raise and turn raise by BB indicate BB is trying to steal. I'd bet the river and expect to see a J if BB calls.

[chiachu]

I suck at HU, so...

id just call the turn, id prefer to get to a showdown by calling the turn.

i like betting the river here after BB checks, i think BB has a worse K or a J much more often then an A

[Redd]

I agree with Wooks, pretty much. His flop check is fishy and I really haven't had bad results checking behind in spots like this, but if you do so I don't think the turn raise accomplishes anything since you're still putting in lots of cash if he's slowplaying. I'd call, call or bet if checked to on the river.
The way you played it, it appears pretty likely he doesn't have an ace. I'd value-bet the river.

[Brain]

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Checking that flop after the 3bet broadcasts either QQ-66 or AA-KK, AK. He almost certainly doesn't have a weaker A than AK. I don't know if I have the stones to raise the turn, one, because I'm a wimp, and two, I do have some outs to a gutshot that I'd rather not forfeit. Since he didn't raise you on that turn, I think you can bet the river for value.

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I want to know why you think this.

[MrWookie47]

He 3bet preflop. He has the initiative. He thinks he has the best hand and/or can make you fold. Checking that flop defers back to you. He's giving up on folding you on the flop. This is a very strong suggestion that he either has bupkis, or he has a monster. TPMK is not a monster, even HU, especially when he's not sure you don't have an A too.

[Brain]

I agree that a weak ace isn't a monster here, but if he bets the flop and I raise, I don't see most players dropping it here. I would think that we both had the same reason for checking the flop; it's not going to accomplish much.

Wouldn't you 3bet most aces PF here?

IMO at 1/2 when you get 3 bet like that means BB has a premium hand. I agree that the turn check by him means he has something like QQ or JJ, or a monster like AK, AA, or AK.

I'm not sure if I'm betting the river. What 3-betting hands are we currently beating? QQ, TT, 99 are pretty much it. And they might not pay us off.

This smells a lot to me like this guy is slowplaying a monster hand (obviously pretty poorly but this is 1/2), or an ace, that is looking to c/r the river.

Having said all of that betting the river is probably ok, but I think we have to fold to a c/r.

[scotty34]

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Since he didn't raise you on that turn, I think you can bet the river for value.


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Bet-fold or bet-call?