A5h UTG

Chaos_ult · #1 11-17-2005, 03:26 AM

This one's ugly

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero calls, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB raises, Hero calls, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, MP folds, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (11.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, CO calls, Button folds.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

Could I have folded the river?

Should I have raised somewhere?

Help me!

Thanks in advance

flair1239 · #2 11-17-2005, 03:35 AM

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This one's ugly

Ultimate Bet 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero calls, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB raises, Hero calls, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, MP folds, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (11.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, CO calls, Button folds.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

Could I have folded the river?

Should I have raised somewhere?

Help me!

Thanks in advance

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Chaos,

In 6-max, if you are going to play this hand... you need to raise with it.

As the hand played out I think I would be raising the turn to try to knock out any junk 5 outers. If the BB reraised, with him being an unkown, I would be tempted to fold... except the pot would be right on the edge of a tempting call down. For me it would depend on the BB. I am leaning toward folding to a turn reraise though.

Nick C · #3 11-17-2005, 03:39 AM

I would raise the flop, probably, hoping that BB had JJ, that no one behind me had an ace, and that I could put pressure on hands like KTo and QT.

After that didn't work, I'd be looking to catch a 5 or at least a heart on the turn. But I'd most likely bet the turn, if no one played back at me on the flop.

If someone 3-bet me on the flop or woke up with a raise on the turn, I probably wouldn't make it to the river unless I had aces over fives or a flush draw on the turn. (If a 2, 3, or 4 fell on the turn, I'd also be hard to get rid of.)

Anyway, hands like this one are a part of the reason why I stopped playing low suited aces in EP.

Chaos_ult · #4 11-17-2005, 03:43 AM

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In 6-max, if you are going to play this hand... you need to raise with it.

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This was my first thought as well, but with the table being so loose passive (lots of cold calling happening), I thought a call was better. Is this too weak (even with the table being so loose passive)?

flair1239 · #5 11-17-2005, 03:49 AM

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In 6-max, if you are going to play this hand... you need to raise with it.

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This was my first thought as well, but with the table being so loose passive (lots of cold calling happening), I thought a call was better. Is this too weak (even with the table being so loose passive)?

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No, I just gave you the default.

If you had a specific reason (for instance you knew you were likely to see the family pot you did), then this is A-OK PF.

In general terms though in a shorthanded situation (be it 6-max or first in MP2 in full ring) the suited aspect of your hand carries less value.. because you are less likely to see a multi-way pot.

But with your PF read.. I find your reasoning PF hard to criticise.

Post-flop though, I think at some point you need to think about putting pressure on a KX type hand that has 5-outs on you. That field behind you could have anywhere from 5-10 outs between them... you want to cut that down.

Chaos_ult · #6 11-17-2005, 03:51 AM

Thank you for your informative responses

Redd · #7 11-17-2005, 11:01 AM

I'm with Nick here - why don't you like just raising the flop, flair?

krimson · #8 11-17-2005, 11:06 AM

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In 6-max, if you are going to play this hand... you need to raise with it.

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This was my first thought as well, but with the table being so loose passive (lots of cold calling happening), I thought a call was better. Is this too weak (even with the table being so loose passive)?

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No, I just gave you the default.

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Default would be to fold A5s UTG. I think raising is the worst option here. If the table is extremely loose passive, then a limp is maybe slightly marginal.

thejameser · #9 11-17-2005, 11:15 AM

raise pf. raise flop to try to get it HU. if checked to, bet; if bet into i would be inclined to call down with top pair against an unknown. if i showed alot of strength pf and on the flop and a bet comes my way on the turn UI, i could think about folding. i will say this, if his bets never meet resistance, he could be playing KQ or a decent pp this way. put some pressure on him at the flop. it makes the hand easier to play IMO(for those who can fold here).

thejameser · #10 11-17-2005, 11:18 AM

shorthanded i don't hate a pf raise. it is not standard, but i can see doing it if people behind me can fold.