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Old 06-03-2005, 03:15 PM
Grease Grease is offline
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Default A10o keeps confusing me

Same 6/12 game at the Borg. Main villian in this hand is very much a LAG PF and on the flop, but I have never seen him get out on line on the turn. (VPIP~70% PFR~30%, he's UTG) I really don't know the best way to play this, I think I may have made a mistake on each street.

I have A10o in the CO.

UTG limps, 3 other donks limp, I limp (mistake 1?), Button limps, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop AK4r

BB open folds, UTG bets, all fold to me, I call (mistake 2?), button folds.

Turn 6 (completes rainbow)

He bets, I raise, he thinks for a minute and 3-bets.

I think for a minute and fold.

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Old 06-03-2005, 03:19 PM
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Default Re: A10o keeps confusing me

Josh's Theorem #3:

Even seemingly passive players can get out of line if they are very loose preflop, and especially if they are aggressive postflop. Players like this often have a screw loose and make erratic plays and bluffs, so you generally can't trust them.


Against this type of player, I'm not folding, especially since you almost certainly have a good amount of outs.
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Old 06-03-2005, 03:23 PM
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Default Re: A10o keeps confusing me

I raise preflop and on the flop. The hand may play quite different after that.

If your read is correct, I'm probably not folding this hand.
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Old 06-03-2005, 03:24 PM
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Default Re: A10o keeps confusing me

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Josh's Theorem #3:

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I missed 1 and 2.
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Old 06-03-2005, 03:25 PM
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Default Re: A10o keeps confusing me

I like to raise this flop here and then call down a 3-bet. If he just calls, bet the whole way. I'm not sure what to do if check-raised on the turn or river, but I probably still call down anyway.
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Old 06-03-2005, 03:25 PM
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Default Re: A10o keeps confusing me

i like a raise preflop, which means the hand probably plays differently. on the flop, i would probably raise to see how the villain plays it, if 3 bet on the flop i would probably call down because this is a hand i want to see a showdown with vs this villain
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Old 06-03-2005, 03:25 PM
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Default Re: A10o keeps confusing me

I missed theorom's #1 and #2.

I'd add a footnote to #3 stating that this is even more likely to apply when in a heads-up situation.
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Old 06-03-2005, 03:26 PM
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Wasn't that CDC's old avatar?
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Old 06-03-2005, 03:26 PM
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Default Re: A10o keeps confusing me

I would raise preflop, but I don't think it's a big deal either way. You obviously have a pot equity edge, but by keeping the pot small you encourage more mistakes from donks post flop.
Definitely raise the flop. You are most likely ahead.
If you raise the flop the turn situation would be easier to play. As it is I would call down after the three bet. The pot is starting to big and the safe play is to just call down. You say that the villain is wild PF but not flop? I'm sure his wild tendencies carry over to post flop at least a little.
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Old 06-03-2005, 03:27 PM
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Default Re: A10o keeps confusing me

I think you should raise him on the flop because you probably have the best hand.

The hands that he could have (that have you beat) are 44 A4 K4 (loose preflop call) or AJ (maybe AQ, but he would probably bet preflop)

So raise him on the flop....That's the first thing you should do
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