Aint No Holla Back Girl

Jason Strasser · #1 05-29-2005, 05:40 AM

Oooooh its my shhh.

Two 5-10 stars hands vs Grandiose.

Grandiose is very aggressive but one of the better players at the table. Unlike many stars players, he can be annoying to deal with out of position.

First hand he opens from the CO I call with 77 and so do two EP limpers and the BB. Flop comes QJ7 Q7 are clubs. Checks around. Turn comes 2s, putting two spades on board. He bets 150, I make it 500 with 1600 behind and fold to his all in.

Hand two. He opens I call with JJ in the blinds. Flop comes 7 high with two clubs. I check, he pots, I call. Turn comes a six pairing the board but no club. check check. Turn comes an offsuit king. I check and call a pot sized bet.

-Jason

Roman · #2 05-29-2005, 05:50 AM

how do u fold 77 in hand 1?

captZEEbo1 · #3 05-29-2005, 06:05 AM

what range of hands does he raise with preflop? (you say aggressive, but I wonder if that means postflop or preflop)

BluffTHIS! · #4 05-29-2005, 06:07 AM

Hand #1: In a multiway pot with a big drawing board, I would ALWAYS bet or raise with bottom set to see where I was and narrow the field. Mulitway hands are bad spots to be trapping. Even if he has AA/KK it is unlikely he would reraise you fearing QJs. As to what actually occurred, I'm with Doyle in his feeling that it is virtually impossible to get away from a set in a pot THAT WAS ORIGINALLY RAISED.

Hand #2: You should have bet the turn in order not to give a player with overcards a free card to hit six outs. Since he checked behind on the turn, he is presumably going to do so again should another rag fall and he is not helped, thus only allowing you to lose the pot by giving a free card but make no more money from him if you either bet and he folds or he checks behind on the river.

The bottom line since you feel he is difficult to play out of position, is that you are playing scared with him in those spots which will only encourage him to be more aggressive with you.

RoboRob · #5 05-29-2005, 06:23 AM

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BPPoker · #6 05-29-2005, 07:56 AM

Not sure I like the fold in hand 1. Would he slow play QQ or JJ here?? There seems to be too many draw out there for him to give a free card. Too many cards complete flushes and straights. Especially if he is an aggressive player after the flop it seems that he would bet out with his big hand to get paid off given his table image. I would have called his all in.

Roswell · #7 05-29-2005, 09:33 AM

On Hand 1 you should at least bet on that flop. Too many turn cards either hurt you or kill your action.

I don't think I could fold to the all-in. QJ is a possible holding for him, although he should have bet the flop. However, how about 22? He might have spiked the low set on the turn. I don't see how you can fold.

emil3000 · #8 05-29-2005, 09:47 AM

How in hell could he check a hand that beat you on the flop in hand 1? He's good isn't he? Turn changes nothing. I don't know what he might have but I can't believe it's better than your hand. 22 fits, like someone said. I call.

radioheadfan · #9 05-29-2005, 10:45 AM

So you gave him credit for JJ/QQ in hand 1? He slowplayed a good set with an aggressive image and lots of players in the pot on one of the draw-heaviest boards imaginable? No (at least not if he's good). Looks like he has QJ or 22.

Why didn't you lead the flop in hand 1? The PF raiser is probably smart enough to not bluff a field of players that big if he completely whiffed on the flop.

I call on hand 1 and expect to win. If he shows me QQ or JJ I'd be VERY surprised...

Hand 2: Flop is good. I like leading the turn for 1/2 - 3/4 pot. River call is ok given how you played it. Why do you think he bet the FULL pot there? Wierd......

Dr. Strangelove · #10 05-29-2005, 11:22 AM

How can you make any kind of difficult laydown against Grandiose? Has he toned down his penchant for retarded bluffs? I instacall in hand 1 and play it the same in hand 2.